Will a united front keep the nosey bodies out?
An interesting concept was brought up at the last Village Council meeting in December. It was that the neighbors and residents in the Grove should become one and stop fighting against each other on issues, because if we do become one, we maybe will not have to deal with the City's interference.
Will the City butt out of our business if we all have one big united front and agree on things? Will the micromanaging from the City Commission stop?
Recently a couple of people said to me that it's amazing that everyone who lives outside the Grove, wants to be inside the Grove and vice versa. Although I never see crowds on the streets unless there is an event in the Grove, so that may not be entirely true or people would be flooding the streets daily. But I do agree that the infighting must stop in order for the Grove to succeed.
Will the City butt out of our business if we all have one big united front and agree on things? Will the micromanaging from the City Commission stop?
Recently a couple of people said to me that it's amazing that everyone who lives outside the Grove, wants to be inside the Grove and vice versa. Although I never see crowds on the streets unless there is an event in the Grove, so that may not be entirely true or people would be flooding the streets daily. But I do agree that the infighting must stop in order for the Grove to succeed.
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Excellent points.
On a related issue, Grovites may want to know that the 27 Avenue street improvements have been postponed to the year 2012, according to Esther Calas. She is the director of the county's Dept. of Public Works.
Incredible.
Why are so many people opposed to incorporating? Does it just cost too much money?
Curious North Grovite,
It's not that people are "opposed to incorporating", it's that as a practical matter it can't be done.
Here's the problem. When communities such as Key Biscayne, Doral and Pinecrest incorporated, they were in the so-called unincorporated part of Miami-Dade County and needed only a vote of the people in the proposed incorporation areas. Coconut Grove, however, is part of the (incorporated) City of Miami and would need to be "de-annexed" (not incorporated), a procedure that requires a majority vote of both Coconut Grove AND the rest of the City. Since the Grove is a net contributor to the City's tax base, it will never happen no matter how many meeting are held or grumblings appear here on the Grapevine.
Thank you reality check. I understand now. What a bummer.
So, the rest of the City of Miami might vote to incorporate if Coconut Grove increases their net worth, as in taxes and add ons. We can do that "if" as the Grove suggest we collectively do something to increase our total value, right?
"It's not that people are "opposed to incorporating", it's that as a practical matter it can't be done.
Here's the problem. When communities such as Key Biscayne, Doral and Pinecrest incorporated, they were in the so-called unincorporated part of Miami-Dade County and needed only a vote of the people in the proposed incorporation areas. Coconut Grove, however, is part of the (incorporated) City of Miami and would need to be "de-annexed" (not incorporated), a procedure that requires a majority vote of both Coconut Grove AND the rest of the City. Since the Grove is a net contributor to the City's tax base, it will never happen no matter how many meeting are held or grumblings appear here on the Grapevine."
Well put, except it's not utterly impossible. It's doable. There have been at least 2 significant efforts at de-annexation for the Grove's 'emancipation', if you will. It would take solid, persistent, well-organized efforts from lots of Grovites, to escalate our legal case to the Federal Level, in order to change the rules. There's a good chunk of blatently unfair History, and obvious, questionable interests at high political and economical levels. Carlos Iglesia
No jobie, actually, the grove would have to become a tax burden on the city in order for it to be beneficial to the city to let the grove be "de-annexed".
Hmmm, looks like we're well on our way thanks to Sarnoff. Once it's a (completely) boarded up ghost town, the property values will start to plummet, and we might be able to get out of the city.
Sad but true.
Thanks Carlos Iglesia and The Local contrarian said---both of you folks responded sincerely, thoughtfully and succiently and revealed an answer/possible solution.
I'm presently engaged in one state and one federal complaint against THE CITY OF MIAMI. The subject matter isn't important, but the short of my point----it is do able and extremely cheap, but yes it is an effort, time consuming, stressful, but I'm having success.
The Grove is going broke, business wise. Many homes are inforeclosure and tax dollars are being lost. Here, now, today, the CITY OF MIAMI is in "serious trouble with the Feds and the SEC over fraudulent bonds, about $85-millions worth. I agree that if some of us focused together, we could possibly easily de-annex ourselves from THE CITY OF MIAMI. My position/statement is the process is do able and appears very easy, although for an individual like myself, it is somewhat, frankly very stressful and time consuming. Trust me on this; it will be big deal to find presedent cases and move ahead, but I won't do this by myself.
P.S., I do accept the premise that some group is causing property values to fall so they can purchase the devalued real estate, but I don't think it's any one individual but even if it were reality, then if we were to move at the correct time we can use their destruction to our advantage by filing a complaint at the correct moment in time. We could use this weak moment fiscally to debase them and de-annex.
It would be nice if we could all agree, but we are not all the same so we will always have different ideas and goals... the best we can hope for is embracing our differences. This takes acceptance, understanding, patience and tolerance. Many people in the grove seem to run short on all of these.
Also, all my friends love the grove, they want to live here, shop here and visit here. But the high parking fees and high living costs keep most of them out. We're just too inaccessible to the common person. Mostly it is the parking.
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