Cutting "windows" into mangroves will proceed
Regarding the mangrove trimming in Peacock and Meyers Parks, Gary Milano from DERM and Juan Pascual and Ted Baker from the Parks Department explained how the process works at the last waterfront Implementation committee meeting
Ted discussed the method of "window" trimming from the ground up to 6 feet along a maximum of 65% of the fringe will be done. This window trimming is not drapes, it is cutting "windows" into the mangroves to allow for water views.
According to Gary, the permit cost for Peacock Park is $44,000. The Meyers Park permit cost is about $10,000 to $15,000. Once the permits are approved, work can proceed. The permits grandfather in the trimming for future work, so as the mangroves start growing in, they can be cleared out again in the same "window" areas only.
Ted discussed the method of "window" trimming from the ground up to 6 feet along a maximum of 65% of the fringe will be done. This window trimming is not drapes, it is cutting "windows" into the mangroves to allow for water views.
According to Gary, the permit cost for Peacock Park is $44,000. The Meyers Park permit cost is about $10,000 to $15,000. Once the permits are approved, work can proceed. The permits grandfather in the trimming for future work, so as the mangroves start growing in, they can be cleared out again in the same "window" areas only.
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The irony of government - it charges itself $44,000 of our money, so that your politicians can say, "look we spent $ on improving quality of life, better parks, etc.", but that money is being paid back into the govt. via the permits.
And the circle of life continues.
Why so much for a permit, which is a piece of paper and possibly 4 hours of research. If the cutting cost that, that I would understand.
maybe the exorbitant permit fees the City charges itself are just a way to move money from one fund to another.
AnnaMaria, it's shocking! As I recall, we were told the permit cost is $4 per cubic foot. This project will cost a fortune and the work will be done by the City's own employees ... the cost is in the money that's being paid by the City to the County for the permits.
Finally! Takes a lot of e-mails from many people and printed articles (New Times) to get these good people in gear. Lots of bureacracy and red tape at the Federal and City levels. Clearing up the South-Eastern corner of Peacock Park, among other Key spots along the Bay is important. ("Amy Billig Meditation Garden"). I run thru most days, yesterday there was already a small crew cleaning up the place from trash and debris. There are a lot of homeless people there every day, about 5 of them yesterday and today, drinking and talking loudly, drunk in the morning. There was a parent flying a Kite with his small kid, and this drunk was really scaring them away. They trash the place. Feel sorry for them, but they should be removed. They hide their boats under the overgrown Mangroves.
I was for removing a FEW Mangroves there altogether to clear the view a bit around that boardwalk; DERM didn't go for it. I still think a FEW Mangroves out of there, --and ALL of the detrimental Seaside Mahoes out--, wouldn't hurt a fly. That's how it was for decades. But windows is better than nothing.The Water Views could be awesome, even from up Mc Farlane, as it was in the 70's/8o's, as the Grove old-timers will tell you.
Let's see if they finally clean-up Kennedy Park too, which is infested with Seaside Mahoes and over-populated with overgrown, beneficial Mangroves. Carlos Iglesia
Does anyone know whatever happened to removing the Australian pines from Kennedy park?
"Does anyone know whatever happened to removing the Australian pines from Kennedy park?"
They decided to keep them for now. Even though they are an invasive, non-indigenous, detrimental foreign species, people seem to like them. They were trimming some of them heavily this week, to prevent branches from falling on top of people I suppose, especially around the Kid's park and the new outdoor gym.
The professional survey made in November 2008, which identified about 945 invasive trees, shrubs to be erradicated is on stand-by. In fact, that money was wasted, since they would have to do a new survey, mark the bad trees again with yellow paint, and all. Lack of funds is cited, plus the usual City bureaucracy, one can assume.
That said, they keep planting good trees in Kennedy park, it is well-maintained, they put new dog-poop signs, the new gym is nice, new palm trees and oaks. But the place is literally infested with detrimental seaside Mahoes which block many waterviews. Carlos Iglesia
We know much more today about urban ecology than we did in the 70s and 80s. Not a good example to follow...How about we drive 5000 lb cars getting 8 miles per gallon like in the 70s.
You are assuming the permit to the City costs that much. The permit may be for DERM being that it is a protected species.
Carlos, the seaside mahoes are supposed to be removed as part of the project.
I know Michelle, Seaside Mahoes are the biggest pest, they were painted with orange spray at Kennedy Park over a year ago. That's gone, and they've kept on proliferating like weeds. Plus 5 other invasive species too, like the Brazilian Pepper, etc. But when? That's the question, they'll have to do another survey after all this time. BTW, Kennedy Park could use a lot of "windows" too for the overgrown, abundant mangrove population to open up the nice waterviews. CI
First off Grape, the title is misleading. This isn't happening yet. They are submitting an application..nothing has been authorized. Secondly, The permits do not cost that much.. that is the cost of Mitigation for damaging a protected species. Frankly, the use off public funds to pay for the mitigation for damage to native resources on Public Land is ludicrous and unethical. DERM will take public input on the issue. I will be giving a big old NO to the project. Anyone else care to join me?
CANNOT WAIT TO SEE THE NEW WATER VIEWS -- AWESOME!
"Frankly, the use off public funds to pay for the mitigation for damage to native resources on Public Land is ludicrous and unethical"
Care to elaborate on this? Why? Exactly? It's about improving a public Park, having better Waterviews which are very scarce as it is. If some stupid mitigation Law is in the way, well change the Law, or wave the fee. We pay taxes to have better parks, among other things. CI
And anon @ 7:48pm, please let me know when will DERM take public input on this. I'll be there. Thanks. CI
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