You may soon see through the mangroves
The mangroves in Peacock Park may soon have "windows" through them, so the bay can finally be seen.
The permitting process for cutting and shaping the mangroves is long and tedious, but hopefully pretty soon, the work can start.
An official RFP (Request for Proposals) for the Glass House in Peacock Park has still not gone out. But it is in the works and the City is up for any ideas that people may have for the premises. The hopes are for part restaurant and part community center.
A water park or water feature for kids has been brought up, but that doesn't seem likely for a lot of legal reasons. Many other cities are dropping their water features, rather than adding them.
The permitting process for cutting and shaping the mangroves is long and tedious, but hopefully pretty soon, the work can start.
An official RFP (Request for Proposals) for the Glass House in Peacock Park has still not gone out. But it is in the works and the City is up for any ideas that people may have for the premises. The hopes are for part restaurant and part community center.
A water park or water feature for kids has been brought up, but that doesn't seem likely for a lot of legal reasons. Many other cities are dropping their water features, rather than adding them.
posted by Tom Falco at 3:00 PM
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Well, it's about time, and it makes too much sense. Some of the community have been trying to get way more views of the Water for years. Guess it might pay off one sweet day for everyone, you know watch the boats and stuff down Mc. Farlane, as it used to be for decades. The City showed up about 2 months ago to talk about it. To me and others, it's OBVIOUS that certain spots should be cleared up. I would actually take the beneficial mangroves OUT altogether in a few places here. BIG DEAL. Not to mention the detrimental Seaside Mahoes. CI
"A water park or water feature for kids has been brought up, but that doesn't seem likely for a lot of legal reasons"
Legal reasons, in what way? specifically what are they? I'd really wanna know.
It's just a shame we can hardly even SEE the Water from Grove crucial Strategic Spots like Amy Billic's Meditation Garden, for those who recall, and many other places here in our, unique, prileged Bayfront, which is almost Invisible in most places. Carlos Iglesia.
Hopefully, the City's RFP will keep to the parameters established by the Sasaki plan, which incorporated the input of residents and businesses from the Grove, as well as input from earlier Peacock Park Charettes held by the Friends of Peacock park.
Both of those plans called for curtaining the mangroves as well as ideas for the Glass House.
like the idea of making the bay more visible. don't like the idea of people swimming there. That water is filthy. as a kid who grew up going to city of miami sailing camp over by monty's that water was known as "Caca Water" so its probably not healthy to have anyone swimming in it.
shouldn't we just save everyone time and ask sarnoff what HE wants to do with the glass house ;-) i kid, i kid.
Yea grape. Hopefully our endangered ecosystem, will once again be sacrificed to meet the desires of those to lazy to walk down and look at the water. Well done.
Personally, I hope FDEP/DERM says no.
to 5:37
the beauty of "curtaining" is that it does not compromise the ecosystem. For example if you go to the Barnacle, you will note that the mangroves are at either side of the property, and that center of the property's shoreline is clear. While I am sure the new pland will not be that drastic, by creating windows, it will also clean up the "junkyard aspect" of the mangrove area. it would be nice if the curtaining plan was done on Ken Myers park as well. That way people driving on Bayshore could actually see the bay as the drive by.
There's water by Peacock Park? Really? :)
I agree with 5:37. If you want to see the water, walk down and look at it.
Good work Grape. Let's hope the CIty finally gets off its ass to make Peacock Park a great place again. They keep saying they'll make it better but....
"the beauty of "curtaining" is that it does not compromise the ecosystem",
Windowing reduces the ecosystem productivity in the surrounding area, weakens the trees and often flat out kills them.
"That way people driving on Bayshore could actually see the bay as the drive by"
Like people don't already have a hard enough time paying attention. How about keeping peoples eyes where they belong...on the road.
"it will also clean up the "junkyard aspect" of the mangrove area"
How will cutting them reduce the trash in the area? Last I checked mangroves dont litter. You want to reduce the junkyard. Demand the city do what all the more progressive cities are doing and install vortex separators on all the stormwater outfalls to eliminate the bulk of trash, grease, and oil from getting in the bay in the first place.
Some of you cannot be serious: Derm, the environtalists, went to the place, there at the South East Corner to look at it. I had been talking to them and to the City for weeks. They sent me an e-mail saying that the Mangroves are benefitial and could not be removed, as if we didn't know. And said they might trim them to open up some water view, and improve the scenary there. The place was just fine WITHOUT Mangroves for decades, in the 70's. It's just a small area. It looked like a paradise little beach, clean, and with an open view of the bay all the way up from Central Grove. Trimming those few mangroves is better than nothing. I just find it stupid that getting rid of a few of them would alter World Climate or threaten any species in any way. Same goes for other places like Kennedy park. There used to be a LOT less Mangroves there for decades. And we did just fine. Now the place is infested with Seaside Mahoes and too many overgrown ugly Mangroves, blocking waterviews. BTW, as a member of the Sierra Club, I helped planting Mangroves in Virginia Key. CI
Carlos wont be satisfied until all the trees are leveled so he can see the bay from every angle. Thats all he bitches about. Oh, well that and biking.
Anon @ 9.03 am.
First, if you must attempt to insult people personally, at least say who you are, see if we meet on the street. This kind of anonimous, wosssyy rant should not be allowed here.
Second, you obviously don't know me, I fight for trees and for the parks, to have them planted where they should be, and the non-invasive, indigenous species. I also fight to have the invasive, detrimental species removed. It takes time to get the City to move. Eventually, they listen.
And yes, I also advocate things about cycling, when the topic is raised here on the blog. What's your problem with that? Retard.
So if YOU must bitch about any current topics on the day's blog, what's your name? And what have you DONE lately for the Grove, instead of bitching anonymously like a scared little girl? CI
I don't know who Carlos is, but I suspect there are others, like me, a resident here, who would LOVE to see more of the water available for all to enjoy. The removal of the plants really won't affect anything but the sensitivities of those who want no change -- ever.
hahaha Brian you just brought me waaaay back.
Good to know Nestor still has some "marines" hanging around.
Carlos,
Lessee here...it's okay to call someone a "Retard" and "a scared little girl" if you sign your name? Jeez, one could easily get the impression that you are a thin-skinned adolescent bully and blowhard, but I would never call you that since I'll be signing anonymously. Anyway, you seem to be conveying that impression quite well on your own without anyone actually pointing it out.
I just get a chuckle seeing Liliana "Report-Your-Tree-Cutting-Neighbors" Dones supporting this project. I guess it's okay to do a little aesthetic pruning if you're the City of Miami. But Lord help you if you're a private homeowner or land owner who wants to trim a sapling. Lily "I-Live-In-a-Condo" Dones will see you clapped in irons.
If we are going to have a debate, let it be an honest one. Using the status of the coast post 1950s as the baseline of our natural environment is misleading and misguided.
Want to know what the coast orginally looked like?
check out this photo showing the mangroves on Brickell in 1922.
http://ibistro.dos.state.fl.us/uhtbin/cgisirsi/t5IMCf17NS/STA-FLA/223570081/9
THIS is the original shoreline for ALL of Biscayne Bay. More then 98%of it is gone.
Incidently, this was coconut grove in 1911.
http://ibistro.dos.state.fl.us/uhtbin/cgisirsi/VTogA6RYjQ/STA-FLA/223570081/9
The peacock families startch mill consumed every pine in sight.
I don't think that anyone disputes that man has significantly altered the coastline throughout Florida. Miami Beach was just a mangrove island before Mr. Fisher went to work with his cutters and dredgers. I hate to say it, but Florida wouldn't be what it is today without a long line of people who had no concept of "environmentalism." Indeed, the very concept is one that can only be understood by wealthy societies.
Having said that, everything should be taken with a healthy sense of balance. The neighborhood where I grew up, on the Gulf Coast, is more developed than when I was a kid, but the waterfront is also much cleaner due to the careful engineering of extended mangrove growth (trimmed to allow views of the bay) and natural runoff filters.
Please excuse my bad links:
This is brickel in 1922
http://fpc.dos.state.fl.us/small/sm1621.jpg
this was coconut grove in 1911
http://fpc.dos.state.fl.us/reference/rc20148.jpg
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