Speed trap
We'll it's actually a "stop sign trap" at Aviation and Bird, where the three-way stop is.
Don't blow the stop sign, there's a cop hiding in the bushes waiting to get you.
Kids are being killed in school and this is how our tax dollars are being wasted.
Don't blow the stop sign, there's a cop hiding in the bushes waiting to get you.
Kids are being killed in school and this is how our tax dollars are being wasted.
posted by Tom Falco at 10:09 AM
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26 Comments:
Yes, I was a victim last week!
Right on my own neiborhood, that is a stupid stop sign...makes no sense.
What can we do but to pay the Ticket Clinic...Is all a scam on this corrupted city of Miami.
The problem is for us old Grovites is that there use to be a Yield sign and not a stop sign when turning right. I was pulled over last week and somehow talked my way out of the ticket. It should go back to a yield when turning right. The police officer did come out of nowhere, but I am fortunete not to have been written a ticket.
Corrupt this, corrupt that... As a frequent crosser of that intersection, I see the danger. Then again I'm also for ticketing red light runners, which also seems to be against the norm in Miami.
How bout one of those traffic circles there? :-)
On Weekends they hide in the parking lot of the pink office building in the corner.
A Yield sign and a circle will be great for that intersection.
I go through that intersection on more or less a daily basis, and fail to see the problem with coming to a complete stop.
Also, the school murder happened in Coral Gables. I fail to see the connection.
I could care less about cops hiding behind bushes or camera's on red lights. I love the rule of law, that's right, actually love the rule of law. Makes me equal to President's, congressmen, senators, mayors, city of miami code inspectors, police officers and everyone else, otherwise, I was equal anyway.
Police are supposed to "Serve and Protect". We want caring and polite police and parking meter personal in Coconut Grove. We don't want rude, sneaky police and parking meter people that pounce on residence and visitors and make us wish we didn't live or visit here. Lets warn folks and not ticket them as a revenue stream for the deficit budget that has been caused mostly by the inflated salaries and pension funds of the very same people that are ticketing our community. Lets warn drivers with flashing lights, an empty police car or orange hazard cones, but not with more tickets. Perhaps we need Grovites to stand near speed and traffic traps with a sign that advises drivers to slow down or stop for the that new stop sign. More ticktes is not the right solution! Lets help make the Grove a safer place but not help to create more unhappy residents and visitors.
Well just the fact that all the local school kids (Coconut Grove schools) admit that people are bringing knives to school (Coconut Grove schools) daily and perhaps a cop or two sitting in front of the school daily, rather than hiding in the bushes to give a few tickets, might deter some of the kids from bringing weapons to school.
I got nailed by a different classic trap. If you are heading down Mary and turn right on Grand, there is a motorcycle cop who waits around the corner where you can't see him. If you stop at the line you can't see around the corner. He tickets people for not stopping, or for "rolling through the stop" which you have to do to see around the corner. He isn't very nice about it, either.
Interesting......I was ticketted there last week for rolling on the stop sign, however my bicycle was stolen right from my porch half a block away........Guess the police was hidding in the bushes instead of doing his job in protecting our comunity from such vandalism....Disgusting!
I believe "school resource officers" serve exactly the purpose you're speaking of.
"Speed traps" and speed enforcement create awareness with the public. I welcome them and believe they are a good use of law enforcement resources.
I would be willing to bet you would be hollering for more of it if there were a child or, God forbid, a peacock, run over by a careless driver.
Thank you.
The stop signs there are a non-issue. That is not a dangerous intersection and the police resources could be used better. It's all in the name of getting more money in the city coffers, not protecting people at the intersection where nothing happens.
There are good cops and bad cops, good citizens and bad citizens. Most citizens, the vast majority of "YOU" break traffic laws, because "YOU" think the "RULES" do not apply to "YOU" because "YOU" think no one cares or is looking. So "YOU" sneak, so they sneak and we all sneak or snuck from time to time. I just got tired and loss self-respect being a stupid cowardly sneeky type character. until I realized there is some sanity in the rule of law, otherwise if you ran over someones kid or wife or Mother or Father or pet and there was no rule of law they just might get pissed and get "YOU".
I drive through that intersection at least 4 times every single day. I've never seen an accident, a near accident, a pedestrian intimidated by the drivers or even the least bit of carelessness.
Not a good spot to waste time on, except that they probably think they can get some people rolling through when they make the right from Bird to Aviation.
No connection to the school thing tho. None at all.
How about this- obey traffic laws and you won't be ticketed.
I know it's crazy but it just might work.
Rolling a 4/3 way stop may seem like a minor infraction but believe me that if you are a motorcyclist and you have several close calls with moron's either "rolling" through stops or blowing them completely your naive and short sighted opinion just might change.
"I go through that intersection on more or less a daily basis, and fail to see the problem with coming to a complete stop."
Same here. Then again, I abhor seing those police cars hiding there and in other streets like Tiger everyday, instead of doing some real police work, you know, patrolling the dangerous streets, or something. Nice and cool on their cars, music, ac, collecting fat checks, nailing us with ticktets (--then the money is spent anywhere else but the Grove--) beats walking through our neighborhoods in the summer. Carlos Iglesia
I am tired of people whizzing through the neighborhood streets of the Grove. The reason there haven't been any accidents there is probably b/c traffic's been slowed by the stop sign. Not sure why they are monitoring that space, but I sure hope they start ticketing the guys who go 50 on Bayshore and 32nd Ave. I'm tired of feeling like walking my dog is risking my life.
Anon - 2:04: I'm a motorcyclist as well. Again, through that stop sign being talked about all the time. Never had a close call there.
My point is simply that there are better places to enforce traffic laws as opposed to a place where there's never been an accident.
For instance cops could just cycle back and forth threw the Bird and US1 intersection pulling over red light runners all day. That would have a positive effect, and I've been damn near hit there several times.
Not arguing against traffic laws, just how they choose to enforce only the effortless, easy ones to ticket, without having any effect on the safety of the citizenry.
That Guy, you're a typical red light runner, and stop sign no slow down. You think you know better as to what is safe and what is not. You'er the people that beeps behind those who slow you down and then bitch when you can't get to where you're going when you feel like it.
Hey Grape,
Go to the exit of Carver Elementary School on Loguat Ave when school comes out. They built this massive entrance through Loquat Ave. but the parents refuse to use it. Instead the parents and school shuttles park on the grass in front of the water sewer department ignoring the no parking signs while kids walk through the cars to get to their parents. This is the closes thing to a park we have in the South Grove and these parents are destroying it. The ironic thing is they built this entrance on the premise that they were going to keep the students safer by keeping them within the school gates. The exact opposite happened. Why don't they send a cop there and enforce the no parking on the grass? No kids walking in between cars? It's an accident waiting to happen.
I watch from my condo the trap on Grand and Mary. For years this trap has pulled over Trucks, cabs, and the rest of the crowd who just rolls thru the stop sign. Listen Gang if U get caught there U deserve to get caught. If U donot know of this trap by now, then to bad so sad. Get the cells out of your ears and watch the road.
Want to talk about an "accident ready to happen"? Try S,Bayshore Dr. on rush hour every morning, drive it, or better yet, bike it. On the bike, be sure to wear that helmet and a solid insurance policy. Numerous serious accidents are bound to happen, and soon, unless they fix that and other lousy roads. Even runners are bound to get seriously hit, again and again, or killed. Just a matter of time. More cars + more bikes everyday, + a lunar-landscape road with no bike path = recipe for disaster. Guy like Wolin Worth are trying, Manny and Sarnoff get my messages, but sadly, it may take more accidents or a fatality to speed things up at City Hall. Carlos Iglesia.
Jobie - you don't know me, so don't claim to know the type of person I am.
Maybe if you had some reading comprehension, you would see my point, but I guess not.
Grape - this is why some of us post under pseudonyms. I don't want to be associated with people like this wackjob, and allow them to personally attack me based on nothing.
Read what I posted and explain to me how his comments make any sense or upon what he bases his accusations. What a clown.
I'm not a big fan of cops ticketing people needlessly and think the meter maids in the Village are out of control, but Miami drivers are so bad when it comes to stopping at stop signs and red lights that they make it dangerous for any pedestrian or other vehicles out there. As someone who goes through that intersection multiple times per day, it's not all that difficult just to stop. And as someone with a young kid who lives in that neighborhood, where we don't have sidewalks along many of our streets, making people come to a complete stop isn't too much of an inconvenience. Stop making it seem like your civil rights are being taken away because of a stop sign and a subsequent ticket when you violate the rules of the road.
How many more people per day run the red light at US1 and Bird than this stop sign?
I'd guess at least 2000 more per day. Cops, try enforcing red lights for a single day, and you'll have the budget crisis solved.
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