Next we'll be rolling up the sidewalks at 8 pm
So the Village Council has voted (6 to 1) that no new 5 am liquor licenses should be granted in the Grove, but bars and clubs that already hold the license will not be affected. Existing 5 am licenses would revert back to 3 am if the bar or club is sold.
Might as well send all the business to downtown and Sobe and be done with it.
There was a double stabbing at Club Vision at CocoWalk right after they were granted a 5 am license and the police are blaming the 5 am license on this. Guess if the stabbing was done at 3 am, it would have been ok.
Simple solution folks: Have the club owners who want to serve liquor at 5 am pay for extra police and security. Case solved. Why kill the only businesses that are bring revenue into the Grove?
I remember not too long ago when there seemed to be enough police around to stop people who were driving around the block more than once (they called it cruising). They had enough cops on hand then for that nonsense, but now apparently there aren't enough to prevent crimes. Interesting.
BTW, Michelle Niemeyer was the lone dissenting council member who felt the issue was enforcement, not changing the drinking hours.
Might as well send all the business to downtown and Sobe and be done with it.
There was a double stabbing at Club Vision at CocoWalk right after they were granted a 5 am license and the police are blaming the 5 am license on this. Guess if the stabbing was done at 3 am, it would have been ok.
Simple solution folks: Have the club owners who want to serve liquor at 5 am pay for extra police and security. Case solved. Why kill the only businesses that are bring revenue into the Grove?
I remember not too long ago when there seemed to be enough police around to stop people who were driving around the block more than once (they called it cruising). They had enough cops on hand then for that nonsense, but now apparently there aren't enough to prevent crimes. Interesting.
BTW, Michelle Niemeyer was the lone dissenting council member who felt the issue was enforcement, not changing the drinking hours.
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Its not the 5am license that causes stabbings. Its the type of people who go to that "club" and the lack of police presence.
i agree w you in principle, but the notion that people need to stay out drinking until 5am in sleepy coconut grove is kinda crazy.
why cant they start earlier? like the rest of the u.s.
if they cant, then good riddance and let sobe and downtown handle them. no one over age 24, with an iq abive that of a cork, is out then anyway...
dreaming,
your IQ must be low or out of date if you believe your own none-sense.
All,
Once the business area in coconut grove starts to take a hit.
This stupid vote will change.
The Commissioner, Marc Sarnoff lives on the corner of Virginia Street. This road is one of the busy streets into Downtown Grove. So I am not surprise that Sarnoff wants to pull back the time from 5 am to 3am. It surely will improve his nights.
Having security doesn't help; it is when these people leave and filter thru our streets with their loud motorycles, littering the streets, breaking into cars - the security police don't follow them to their cars or follow them home.
There has been more than one incident of stabbings at these clubs and, frankly, we don't care if these people go to the entertainment district - that's where they should be. Miami Beach is closing their clubs at 3am also.
Also - the problem is these clubs don't serve food and when these people leave there they are totally inebriated.
im not sure i understand how one club, or however many, exactly benefit the downtown coconut grove business community.
do the clubgoers - ages 19-25 - patronize anywhere before they head into the clubs? that is not my observation. people who plan to stay out drinking and drugging until 5am or later don't typically emerge around here until midnight. so are they shopping at the gap at midnight? are they running up $200 tabs at the high priced new orleans restaurant? are they buying $200 designer jeans at midnight?
i don't think so. those places are kept afloat by more mature sorts whose idea of fun is not crowding into a smokey bar with deafening music, to stand side by side with one's fellow 21-year-olds.
someone should rethink exactly what 5am alcohol sales mean to the place. i dont think it means what some on here are alleging....
this comment is in reference to dreaming. First off most of New Orleans restaurants are not that expensive, but of course this is in the Grove, and also the food, service and company are much, much better. I hope one day you will be able to visit a REAL Louisiana restaurant so you can get the full experience and not some snobbish fake people that go to this place.
Only one person benefits from selling alcohol between the hours of 3:AM and 5:AM. It's the person who is doing the selling.
Is it my imagination or is the whole country heading away from free enterprise. No, perhaps now one can only succeed by being part of an oligarchy or monopoly.
BYE BYE AMERICAN DREAM
Clubs and bars should close at 3:00 am or earlier. Ask any professional club owner. 95% of the problems occur after 3:00 am.
And has anyone been to Park West and 11th Street lately? 4:00 am to 8:00 am? What a cesspool. No one makes money except the three club owners and the drug dealers. And the owner of Club Space takes his money to his $5 Mil house on Miami Beach leaving the drug overdoses and problems for Miami police and residents.
Well, I can't really speak about what kind of crowd is out in the Grove at 5 am (I'm kinda past that age bracket), but I dearly remember those wonderful times I had 12-14 years ago when I attended UM and had a part-time job in a local restaurant on weekends. Yeah, my friends and I enjoyed the late nights, and no, we didn't go around littering and making noise... In fact I lived in the old apartments that were once located on Tigertail near 27th, and by all means remember those as being some of the best times in my life. And by the way, I still live in the Grove and work in CG :)))
People should be intelligent enough to do their socializing before 1:00 am.
Who is on the streets at 4:00 am? At 6:00 am? Have you noticed?
We need clubs to shut down by 3:00 am.
Is it my imagination or is the whole country heading away from free enterprise.
My dream is to own a business that employs convicted felons on work release to work a pig processing and fat rendering plant. I was thinking of locating it on your block.
What? It's not zoned for that?!?!?!
Grapevine - how does 2 late night hrs of drinking bring money into Coconut Grove - it's not like the party crowd is shopping after 5AM when the leave a club......
So your logic does not really make sense. Yes, I want businesses in the Grove to do well, but, how does late night drinking - club life - help during key business hours??
I love a good bar, really,
bill anderson
Well Bill, I guess I am younger than you. I know that when I plan to go clubbing, I choose the club that is not going to throw us out just when it gets good.
I know this sounds trivial, but in Miami, things don't get going until 1 am and most clubbers don't want to leave by 3 am. So we usually choose the clubs that will allow us to stay out longer.
In this way, I feel that some people may just avoid the Grove and go to where they know they can party all night.
As for people saying that the young crowd doesn't spend money. You really have no idea of the disposable income the young crowd does have. And if these clubs close up, what will go in in their place? Another failing retail store?
It's the times and I think the times call for later hours for bars and clubs if they want to compete.
I still hold to the point, late clubs do not bring "extra" business to the grove besides to the "club".
But, I do want businesses to do well. Club-land is just not something that I believe will help the Grove, only the club owners. Look downtown Grove is dead, ask any shop owner, and latenight clubs do not help this situation. You might be starting your club-session at 1PM, but your not spending money at the shops, but you migh catch a movie.
Here is my point, in 2000 the Grove had two movie theaters, many more places to eat, lot's of stores, and we did not have that many late night clubs. Hey I remember when it would take 20 mins. just to get a drink at the News Cafe, streets were full before 9/11. But now, it's different.
I personally do not think 2 more hours is going to stop people from coming or going. It's not a real make or break deal. Did Pawnshop help the area north of downtown?
But, thanks again for the blog, I think it's great! I just beg to disagree.
all the best,
bill anderson
Clubland by Elvis Costello -
"With a handful of backhanders and a bevy of beauty
You're going off limits
Going off duty
Going off the rails
Going off with booty
They tell tales of fiction found on all the criminal types
Lead to a higher ranking man or a face with thin red stripes
Chorus:
The boys next door
The mums and dads
New weds and nearly-deads
Have you ever been had in Clubland?
There's a piece in someone's pocket to do the dirty work
You've come to shoot the pony
They've come to do the jerk
They leave him half way to paradise
They leave you half way to bliss
The ladies' invitation never seemed like this
Chorus
The long arm of the law slides up the outskirts of town
Meanwhile in Clubland they are ready to pull them down
Hey
The right to work is traded in for the right to refuse admission
Don't pass out now, there's no refund
(when) Did you find out what you were missing
The crowd is taking forty winks minus ten percent
You barely get required sleep to go lingering with contemptment
Thursday to Saturday
Money's gone already
Some things come in common these days
Your hands and work aren't steady"
Perhaps I am old if I still listne to E. Cosetllo - plus clubland is so shallow......
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