Neighbors can't stand the noise
Noise issues again are bothering Grove residents. There was an article in The Herald about it here. While I have to agree that music blasting at all hours is not a good thing, why move close to the business district in the first place? I would never in my right mind move across the street from Commodore Plaza or CocoWalk.
One person is quoted as saying that when she moved in there were ice cream shops and beauty salons -- not bars.
I don't know which Grove she is referring to, but having lived in the area for most of my life, the Grove has always been an entertainment district and CocoWalk really sealed the deal when that opened
years ago.
I remember a dozen or so years ago the cops would stop people for driving around the block more than once, the cruising was causing massive traffic tie-ups on most weekend nights. This is nothing new; before South Beach the Grove was the hang out place. For people to act as if this is something new and that they were oblivious to this when they moved in next to the entertainment area is really odd. The entertainment area was here first.
The Grove is starving for business and now people want to have bar and restaurant managers arrested because they are making noise. I do agree that businesses should not be blasting music from outdoor speakers, some simple compromises really need to be made.
The Grove is dead in the day, now residents want to kill the night business?
One person is quoted as saying that when she moved in there were ice cream shops and beauty salons -- not bars.
I don't know which Grove she is referring to, but having lived in the area for most of my life, the Grove has always been an entertainment district and CocoWalk really sealed the deal when that opened
years ago.
I remember a dozen or so years ago the cops would stop people for driving around the block more than once, the cruising was causing massive traffic tie-ups on most weekend nights. This is nothing new; before South Beach the Grove was the hang out place. For people to act as if this is something new and that they were oblivious to this when they moved in next to the entertainment area is really odd. The entertainment area was here first.
The Grove is starving for business and now people want to have bar and restaurant managers arrested because they are making noise. I do agree that businesses should not be blasting music from outdoor speakers, some simple compromises really need to be made.
The Grove is dead in the day, now residents want to kill the night business?
posted by Tom Falco at 8:48 AM
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Are you saying that people shouldn't move to a condo or home on S. Bayshore Dr. because if they do they should expect loud music from Monty's or Scotty's? If that were the case why have any homes or condos built on S. Bayshore Dr. These businesses have to be sensitive to residents as well just like motorcycle drivers should be; the fact that they rev up their engines as they go past Yacht Harbor and Grove Towers setting off alarms is outrageous. Let's remember that places like Sonesta sell people a good night's rest.
I am saying that if you move next to the entertainment district, you should expect some noise. I live next to Mercy Hospital, I expect to hear ambulances. I don't complain to the city about it.
I agree with you 1000%. Do these people research an area before moving? How can you not expect to hear noise if you are near the downtown area. I can understand if its annoying to listen to, and if businesses are blasting outdoor speakers and/or leaving the door open during late hours then that should be stopped. However, I dont think the Grove needs to sanction what few businesses still exist and profit here.
Do these people research an area before moving? How can you not expect to hear noise if you are near the downtown area.
I find this attitude a little disturbing. People who did the research before moving in there would have discovered that the central commercial district of Coconut Grove is zoned "SD-2" the purpose of which is to "create opportunities for combining residential and nonresidential uses in a pattern minimizing potential adverse effects of such combinations."
Also, they might have discovered, in the course of their research, that we have a noise ordinance, which states (per the Herald article): music from an establishment should not be audible outside from more than 100 feet away, and not from any distance between 11 p.m. and 7 a.m.
So, your argument is that a reasonable person should expect that the city will ignore it's own laws?
Before I moved to the Grove from South Miami, I visited the area many times. Im not a "city" person and I like my peace and quiet, so although there were a few options for me in the center Grove area, I opted for a few blocks away so I wouldnt be bothered by the noise. It was that easy.
You can point to zoning laws all you want, but if you knew anything about the Grove at all you'd understand that zoning laws dont matter. Just look at the case surrounding Home Depot. Like I said above, if businesses are blasting music from outdoor speakers and/or leaving the door open where the loudness inside spews outside, that should be regulated. However, there have been mentions of businesses having to shut down at a certain time and that is absurd.
Well I remember the Grove long, long before all the junk moved in. Noise pollution is not a given that one should have to accept. All bars do is give a few people a living and a lot of people headaches.
We better be careful before we turn the Grove into another Rush Street. It's all about business diversity.
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