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Tuesday, October 20, 2015

Election day is getting close

I guess they're in favor of Grace. 

There are a lot of Ken Russell signs up on a fence when you first enter the Grove at the north end, near Key Biscayne. The whole chain link fence on the triangle shaped lot has lots of blue Ken signs.

By the way, the Miami Herald endorsed Ken. They interviewed all except one candidate and came up with him as the best. Teresa was great, but her stance on being one of 10 sisters is getting old and not impressive enough to run the city, according to the Herald. Read about it here.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is imperative that everyone get out and vote for whomever they believe the best candidate. That being said, please also take the time to look around you and decide if you want to continue on this path of over development, taking money from Developers and owing back to Developers (in one form or another), and corrupt leadership. We don't need another Sarnoff term.

October 20, 2015 10:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sarnoff can still pull it off with $500 per vote.

October 20, 2015 2:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ken Russell pulled a Sarnoff special.

He got a secret meeting the Miami Herald editorial board all by himself (everyone else met them together the next day).

He has been endorsed by the former Herald publisher Bill Whiddon (incidentally, Teresa Sarnoff's ex-husband). No conflicts there...

His convinced the editorial board of his "sincerity" in commitment to stay involved should he lose. What promise did he make? They don't stay.

If not Grace Solares then pick someone else with a history of community involvement. We have a few good choices.

October 20, 2015 3:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

3:24 is interesting. Last week the Herald came out for the conservancy that wants to take over Bicentennial Park downtown. You know, the one they just finished with our tax dollars. Through, ahem, private donations, they want to build a fancy restaurant and parking garage because thats what the average person that just paid for green space wants, another fancy restaurant and more parking. And guess who's all for that? Well, that would be the Herald's main man, Ken Russell. What a surprise. You want another Sarnoff, but without Sarnoff making the money? Then, by all means, vote for Ken Russell. Seth Gordon owns him. Business as usual in Miami.

October 20, 2015 5:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said... much misinformation. Bill Whiddon would have a good laugh hearing that, now in retirement, he has been promoted to being a Herald publisher. He was married to Teresa Sarnoff, so you got that part right, at least. Unfortunately, the Herald Editorial Board's recommendation doesn't mean much other than they didn't choose Teresa Sarnoff. It's unfortunate that our community lacks an independent, principled newspaper that the community can rely on to be impartial and to do a thorough analysis and due diligence of the candidates and their positions on a range of pending matters. If elected, will you vote to turn the Museum Park land over to a yet-to-be-determined Conservancy? If elected, will you limit commercial development on Virginia Key and reign in the "temporary" improvements to accommodate the Boat Show? If elected, will you allocate more monies to maintain our parks and to buy and protect green space and if so where do you find the money? If elected, would you vote to allow an increase in the zoning density of the historic Calle Ocho District or the commerical district of Coconut Grove? Ken Russell may prove to be a very good commissioner but unfortunately the same was thought of Mark Sarnoff who rode in office on a single issue (Home Depot) and a disgusted electorate in the wake of Johnny Winton's removal from office. Clearly, after 8 years of Sarnoff our community needs a change. Get your neighbors and friends to vote. Don't let Sarnoff and the Boleteros control this election through absentee ballots and paid for promises.

October 20, 2015 6:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 5:55 - Does Ken Russell support handing the Museum Park property over to a Conservancy? If so, he should say it on his website and let the electorate know where he stands on this issue and other issues that are pending a vote before the Commission. If you go to you'll find 3 platform issues: Traffic, Green Space and Smart Development. All board stroke taking points but no details. The community wants and deserves to know the details on where these candidates stand.

October 20, 2015 6:20 PM  
Anonymous al crespo said...

The Museum Park Conservancy is no longer an issue. For those who don't know, Sarnoff's office notified the Manager, the Chairman of the Commission and the City Attorney that he was pulling the item from this week's Commission agenda until the 1st meeting in January.

That was his attempt to save face, because he'll no longer be on the Commission, and even if Teresa were to get elected, the votes are there to kill this thing if it comes up for a vote.

Why? Go read the story I posted on Sunday night that detailed what the Miami and Knight Foundation were trying to pull.

As for the silly and bogus claims made above at 3:24 - probably by Hector Roos who made the same bogus arguments on his Facebook page a couple hours ago - it's just sour grapes by a guy whose the campaign manager for a candidate who is so unelectable that she couldn't win an election to be the City's Chicken Chaser, even if she promised everybody a free chicken.

It's time to go look for another career Hector, your track record as a campaign manager is embarrassing.

al crespo

October 20, 2015 7:05 PM  
Anonymous Alejandro Munoz said...

Ken got endorsed because he is the best candidate in this race. All the other opposition team members commenting doesn't change that nor works against Ken.

October 20, 2015 7:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am very disappointed in the Miami Herald for not endorsing the one qualified candidate that has actually done the most for our community "Amazing Grace".

October 20, 2015 8:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Grace would have had the enforcement if she wasn't as abrasive.

October 20, 2015 10:15 PM  
Blogger HectorinMiami said...

Why attack me Al? All that Rosy Palomino or I try to do is good for the community at no cost to anyone but ourselves.

My gripes about all this was that the Miami Herald opinion didn't even mention Rosy Palomino despite her being asked the most questions during the candidate screening. They did record video and for the sake of transparency I'm asking them to release the video of the group's and Ken's screening.

I'm glad someone is reading my personal Facebook posts and shared the info here. Feel free to distribute freely.

October 20, 2015 10:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bill Whiddon's LinkedIn profile lists his current position as Creative Director at The Miami Herald Media Co.

And it's Marc, not Mark, Sarnoff.

-That Guy

October 20, 2015 10:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Agreed. Abrasive is a good word to describe her.

October 20, 2015 10:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The entire panel of people were asked during a debate if they supported the conservancy and Russell raised his hand. He never raised his hand when asked if he had been to a city budget meeting. He doesn't even bother to vote in local elections. Too busy playing with his yo-yo.
Are there any other women out there that find it offensive that when people talk about Solares they us words such as "abrasive" that they would not use when talking about a male candidate? No one talks about Russell being abrasive when he went against Sarnoff to save his house value at Merrie Xmas park. Like the rest of us that were hoodwinked by Sarnoff's "activist" stance in his first election, Grace has gone after him like the strong wronged woman she is instead of retreating to our homes and licking our wounds like the rest of us did. She's been to the meetings. Go Grace! You have been there for us. Whether you win or lose, I know you will continue to stand up to the crap going on in city hall. Thank you.

October 21, 2015 5:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is Grace Soles really too “aggressive” for some of you? Guess you won’t be going to see the soon to be released Meryl Steep film “Suffragette”! You do know that women now have the vote and even some important jobs! You must be aware that there are quite a few women in the world that are CEO’s, elected to office and even are heads of state! So, why is it that it is a complement for a man to be considered forceful, un-yielding, dynamic, driven, strong willed, determined, substantial, tenuous, tough, vigorous or robust? In this day and age is it considered threating by a few folks still living in the dark ages when they see a woman that is a fighter, aggressive and willing to stand strong for truth against power? Don’t you want to elect a person that actually is qualified for the position, with expertise in the law, permitting, process, zoning and is not beholding to special interest groups? Don’t you prefer a person that has fought for our community for many years and has not just fought for a park across the steer from their house or is the spouse of a politician? Perhaps not to you, but to many of us an “aggressive” woman is a complement!

October 21, 2015 5:49 AM  
Anonymous al crespo said...

I don't think that the issue that some folks have with Grace is because she is a "strong-willed woman"

I think that it has more to do with the way that she changed her voter registration from being a life-long Republican to "No Party Affiliation," 2 weeks after she filed to run so that she could go after the labor union endorsements that her campaign consultant Christan Ulvert banked on as part of his overall strategy to get Grace elected.

For the overwhelming majority of folks your political party affiliation is a core part of who you are. If you're willing to change your party affiliation, or in this case deny it, what else are you willing to change or deny.

It's also about Stephen Kneapler being her single largest contributor, and his ties, as well as her's to Tomas Regalado.
Stephen Kneapler is a devious, unprincipled sneak, and the idea that he's given Grace so much money should cause everyone to ask just what will Kneapler want or expect from her if she's elected.

Grace might claim to be running as an activist outsider, but as I pointed out in one of my stories recently, she was a big supporter of Marc Sarnoff during all of his campaigns, even giving him $500 in 2011, long after people had come to realize just what a snake Sarnoff was.

She's always been a loyal Regalado lieutenant, as evidenced by the letter that she posted on this blog back in 2009 when she came out in support of Regalado for Mayor, and by her refusal to ever publicly criticize Regalado for all the dumb and sleazy things he's done while in office.

For me, I really have had a problem with all of the lawsuits that Grace has filed against the city, not because she shouldn't have filed them, but because she filed lawsuits that she knew she could not win, yet filed them anyhow.

And it's not just Grace that I have a problem with, because I have the same problem with everyone who has filed a lawsuit in recent years against the City and had the lawsuits thrown out of court because they lacked standing to file the lawsuits to begin with.

This has created a number of legal opinions that make it harder for people to sue local governments, and worse, the issues they filed the lawsuits about have been ignored because they have never been heard by a court because of this failure of standing.

Anyone who does that not just once, but repeatedly does that, is not, in my opinion doing so because of a concern for the public, as much as using these lawsuit to create an image of a community fighter and/or feeding their ego.

I say this because I myself have filed a number of lawsuits against the State and the City of Miami over the years, and in every case bot only did I file to win, but with only one exception, I did win!

When you file a lawsuit in Circuit Court and have it thrown out of court for lack of standing, and then go up the ladder of appeals to the 3rd DCA and then the Supreme Court, only to have the cases thrown out of court faster than Marc Sarnoff can pocket a campaign check from a developer, then you're abusing the system.

And it's not just the issue of lack of standing. I went and videotaped the hearing that Grace had in 2013 regarding her effort to get an injunction against the Grove Harbour project, and by the end of the hearing, I was on the side of the City. You can go and see the video of the hearing for yourself on my website: Archives/Community Videos/10/13/13 Grace Solares Court hearing.

Those are among the reasons why I don't think Grace Solares should be elected to the City Commission, and just for the record, I didn't just come to this conclusion, I stated my opinion very clearly back on January 16, 2015 that Grace was the wrong candidate, running in the wrong District.

October 21, 2015 8:19 AM  
Anonymous Jack said...

Aggressive and Abrasive are good qualities for one who will have to deal The City of Miami.

October 21, 2015 8:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Abrasive is not aggressive. Abrasive is only for display purposes and may be the result of deep down knowledge of weakness and uncertainty.

October 21, 2015 9:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree that Stephen Kneapler is a problem, but I have come to terms with it because he tried to stop the Grove Harbour project with her. He hates Sarnoff and threw his money behind Grace. Does he expect a return? Probably. Does Russell expect a return on the $35000 he put up for his campaign? Probably. When Russell says he's a businessman, believe it. I'm sure he's not planning on taking a lose with his investment.

October 21, 2015 10:44 AM  
Anonymous swlip said...

A good definition of "abrasive" might be "pointless and ineffective aggression," or perhaps "moral grandstanding."

October 21, 2015 11:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's talk about morals.

It's not just about being abrasive, she tries to inject herself in issues that aren't hers just to have her name all over it. She gets her campaign manager's partner to write "objective opinions", she changes her party affiliation from Republican to Democrat and suddenly calls herself the Queen of Miami and now is suddenly an advocate of LGBT rights. Seriously? I mean, the ego!

But the fact that she REFUSED to sign the City's Agreement to Fair Campaign Practices, and has since ran the dirtiest and lowest campaign of the run speaks volumes.

You don't just wake up one day and become a pro LGBT Democrat just because you want to win an election.

Grace's political stature and morals are, at best, questionable.

October 21, 2015 11:15 AM  
Anonymous al crespo said...

Dear Charlie Corda,

Yes Charlie, you give yourself away.

Funny you raise Russell's donation to his own campaign. Grace Solares donated money to her campaign and so did Javier Gonzalez. Go look at their campaign reports if you don't believe me. Are you going to talk bad about them too for doing so? I'll bet if you ran for public office you'd end up putting your own money into your campaign, just like you put your own money into your lawsuit against the Skyrise Tower.

There is a world of difference between someone who believes in something and is willing to put their money where their mouth is, and a devious, unprincipled sneak like Kneapler.

As for trying to stop the Grove Harbour project, tell me again what a judge ruled on the merits of the case? Oh, right, no judge has ruled on the merits because both Grace and Kneapler were far more interested in getting their name on the lawsuit as Plaintiffs then in making sure that the arguments that they were supposedly interested in bring to the attention of the court were submitted in a way that would receive a hearing.

Self-aggrandizement and self-promotion are not necessarily synonymous with standing up on behalf of the public.

October 21, 2015 11:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have been on the fence about Al Crespo. I have been an avid follower of his and admire his effort to stop the corruption at city hall. I did get mad when he posted about the photoshop of only female canidates and not any of the male ones, but hey, its his blog. Now he has jumped to the conclusion that a post I wrote was written by Charles Corda when I know it was written by me! I guess I'm going to have to rethink what I read in the Crespo report. Maybe he jumps to too many conclusions without the facts.

October 21, 2015 11:51 AM  
Anonymous al crespo said...

Well,if you wrote the comments I attributed to Charlie Corda, and aren't Charlie Corda then the best way to prove that you aren't is to identify yourself. Oh right, you're big on having opinions, but not so big on owning them.

Truly, dealing with anonymous people who run their mouths and lack the courage to reveal who they are is pretty much like matching wits with a hemorrhoids.

October 21, 2015 1:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What I'd like to know is just who approved and who approves of the brand new $3 Million boat-owners exclusive McMansion, instead of using those Tax-Payer funds for restoring the Historic Coconut Grove Theater, and/or the 4 Grove Trolleys everyone has been asking for a decade, or just for a decent bathroom at Kennedy Park, instead of trailer-trash rollers. You know, things everyone wants and everyone would use.

October 21, 2015 2:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Al, you offer anonymity to anyone offering you information that might help with your blog. Why are you not so generous with people that chose to remain anonomous here? There are many people that work with the city that have opinions that they cannot express publicly because they have bills to pay. There are people that cannot publicly speak out against Sarnoff because there will be an inspector at their house. I would like to speak out publicly, but it would jeopardize our business. I like that Charles Corda is a standup guy and not afraid to post under his name. Wish I could do the same. Maybe when I retire....

October 21, 2015 5:40 PM  
Anonymous swlip said...

What do you mean by "boat-owners exclusive McMansion," anon at 2:46PM? If you mean the new dock office, it's because those boat owners pay a significant amount of money for the privilege of using the facility. Annual revenue to the city from those boat owners was $2.4 million as of 2007, and should be significantly higher, today, especially since the mooring field opened (slip rental fees are higher, too).

It's also important to have a facility that properly represents the city and will be attractive to visiting boat owners from other places. Visiting sailors bring revenue to the city, and not just in the form of slip and mooring fees; they patronize local businesses, as well. The old dock office was, frankly, a disgrace, and DKM had a reputation as having the worst facility of any public marina on the East Coast (whether this was true or not is beyond my personal knowledge, but I heard it from enough experienced sailors and, based on my own experience with Miami services, it wasn't much of stretch to believe it).

October 21, 2015 6:01 PM  
Anonymous swlip said...


I dug into the city's annual revenue numbers, and confirmed that the Dinner Key Marina is expected to bring in $4.8 million over the coming fiscal year.

What that means is that the Dinner Key Marina is a profitable operation for the city, even with the new "McMansion" dockmaster facility, and will continue to be so.

October 21, 2015 6:28 PM  
Anonymous swlip said...

One more UPDATE:

That $4.8 million figure excludes revenue for the newer mooring facility, which is projected to be $400k. That's up from a number of essentially zero, a few years ago.

October 21, 2015 6:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Swlip, were do you get the figure of 2.4 M of annual revenue to the City from boat owners?

Anyway, compare that bag of peanuts with the annual revenue to the City from the rest of the population, the vast majority, those who rent the apartments, drive the cars, ride the bikes or just walk. Those who own entire houses with property taxes, not just rental moorings, all those who don't own boats or visit occasionally, and might occasionally use the $3 Million Blue Mansion there. The vast majority who pay the vast majority of the taxes and also live here..

About a "facility that represents the city attractive to visiting boat owners"...

How about a facility that represents the City and Coconut Grove much more, the Historic Coconut Grove Arts Theater that's in shambles, right in the middle of the Grove, not hidden back by the water, a proud, prominent "facility" that thousands would actually use every year, bringing incalculable business to the area as well, the Trolleys, or any other pending street projects that will take decades to happen.

Think about that.

October 21, 2015 6:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And compared to what I just explained above?

Look, don't get this wrong, a nice facility for boat owners is fine, love boats, but since the Grove is clearly on a tight, screwed-up budget, I suggest our next "representatives" get their priorities straight.

October 21, 2015 6:54 PM  
Anonymous swlip said...

Let me use small words. Those boat owners are paying much more into the city's coffers than they are taking out, even when you factor in the new dock house. So, it's a little odd that you would want to pick on them when griping about resource allocation. There are plenty of things to complain about when it comes to fiscal waste, fraud, and abuse in this town. The DKM is not one of them.

October 21, 2015 9:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let me use smaller words: A minority of boat owners are paying much less and getting much more than the vast majority : the entire Grove/Miami tax paying population.

"Boat owner pay much more to the City than they are taking out". Much more than whom, exactly, more than each one of the rest of all who don't own boats and will probably never set foot on that $3M exclusive McMansion?

Try even smaller words next time. And don't worry all boat owners will be cordially invited to the Historic Coconut Grove Arts Theater if/when it is restored, and welcome to the free Grove Trolleys, even to the $1M Kennedy Park bathrooms they say can't pay for or numerous other street projects on hold, whenever the City can afford them.

October 22, 2015 12:19 AM  
Anonymous swlip said...

Let's try to clarify the discussion, which seems to keep circling the airport. Let's try the following thought experiment:

The existing dock house is falling apart, and isn't big enough to be worth renovating (the showers, laundry facilities, and office space are all much smaller in relation to the number of slips when compared with other municipal marinas on the East Coast). The existing facility, which was built around the 1930s, is also below the FEMA flood line, and for federal emergency relief purposes the city probably couldn't build an addition onto the existing facility (I'm speculating here, but based on my knowledge of the topic, I think it's a fair speculation - the city couldn't get any sort of federal assistance for building a facility with occupied space below the FEMA flood line). So, it's reasonable to conclude that a new dockmaster facility should be built, one that will last for the long term.

The DKM brings in $4.8 million annually ($5.2 million when you add in the mooring field). Assume that construction money is raised by a revenue bond and that income from the marina is dedicated to paying off the bond (sort of like a mortgage). Assume that operating expenses (employee salaries, maintenance, etc.) are about $1 million a year (I don't know the real figure, but given the small staff at the marina, this seems like a reasonable guess - let me know if you're aware of the exact figure).

With all that in mind, what would be reasonable amount to spend on a new dockmaster facility? What should be the annual debt service on the bond? How much of the DKM revenue stream should be allocated to other projects in the city, such as a high-class theatre (nobody wants to deprive Miami's wine and cheese set from having more theatres) and a restroom in Kennedy Park?

October 22, 2015 8:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I like your style. You keep avoiding the bottom-line issue of City spending Priorities, considering how many people would such large investments benefit in the end.

Of course it would be reasonable to spend on a nicer dockmaster facility, as they did, anyway, without much deliberation, huh, but Coconut Grove, which is the topic of this blog, deserves better allocations for its very limited budget allowances. Namely, things that Everyone would love to use, much more visible and practical that a bran-new $3 Million boat-owners exclusive Mansion. How many people will actually use it? Listen, I've lived straight across from the place for 11 years now, I know every single peer, almost every boat and how many people use those facilities. I walk or run by almost every day, 11 years.

Lots of things are falling apart, below FEMA levels.. Does the Historic Cocoanut Grove Arts Theater ring the bell? Smack in the middle of Center Grove. An painful eye sore, a public disgrace. How many people in the Grove even ever Heard of the Mc. Mansion we're talking about, let alone ever used it? Be honest, answer that for yourselves. Not to mention the infamous Trolleys, that everyone has been begging for for a decade, and the City whines it can't afford. Heck, they say they can't even afford a half-decent bathroom on Kennedy Park, the Grove's Main public park where thousands for all over Miami go to very months.

Now you keep insisting that the boat-owners exclusive McMansion was absolutely necessary, as if it were a priority above anything else most people really need and actually use. And that other "Municipal Marinas" have better boat-owners showers and laundry facilities, huh.. Well most other Cities, and Historic Villages like the Grove have decent Landmark Theaters, get the drift?

And you keep mentioning the "revenue" 5 Million, whatever, I trust that number, but I suggest you don't "assume" how the construction monies were raised. Have you seen the revenue bond? We'd be in real murky waters right there, if you're familiar with City Hall. That's would be an important, specific question for any aspiring new commissioner to answer, with concrete data on hand.

Even so, why don't they issue revenue bonds or other funding means for other infrastructure projects the Grove needs more than the seldom-seen McMansion back there? Furthermore, you keep suggesting that all the rest of the people and businesses other than boating, the vast majority of tax-paying population does not contribute Revenue for the City. You think that 5 Million moorings revenue is that much compared all other businesses and revenue generators in the Grove. Please stop by the Grove's BID office any day to refresh that data.

And what you say about the Historic Cocoanut Grove Grove Theater or the Free Trolleys or decent bathrooms and streets with proper lighting or drainage, or parking solutions, etc, do not generate as much "revenue" for the city as that exclusive boater's suite should disgust any average Grove tax payer.

October 22, 2015 10:03 AM  
Anonymous swlip said...


The DKM's proposed budget for f/y 2015-16 is $1,844,900.00. The proposed budget for the mooring field is $182,600. I assume those numbers include debt service on the new dock house and other capital improvements, such as upgraded pilings and renovations to the blackwater pump-out system.

If I am correct, that means that DKM (including the mooring field) is expected to generate a surplus to the city's general revenue fund of about $3.1 million.

I again admit that I might be oversimplifying. I invite anyone with better knowledge of municipal funding issues to please chime in and correct me on any errors in my reasoning.

October 22, 2015 10:49 AM  
Anonymous swlip said...

Just saw the comment at 10:03AM. Jesus.

I've been trying to guide this into a reasonable discussion, providing hard numbers on revenue and expenses. I have demonstrated, with reasonable certainty, that the DKM is a profitable operation for the city, in that it brings in much more revenue than it spends on itself. I have invited you to explain how you would allocate those resources, given the realities of the situation.

But you're determined to just vent your spleen about spending money on a theatre, restrooms, and trolleys, as if we were in a zero-sum game where spending on one necessarily abrogates spending on another. Well, guess what? We live in the City of Miami, not the City of Coconut Grove. So, if you're going to vent about missed priorities in the Center Grove, you might as well talk about every other budget priority, citywide.

In other words, if you think that the money paid by the people who use the DKM (and it is fully self-funded) should be diverted to other projects in the city, then how do you justify limiting those projects to the Grove? Why not Overtown, Little Havana, or Allapattah? Why should the tenants at the DKM pay for upper middle class people to have a theatre or a trolley when there are so many poverty-stricken areas of the city that are just barely getting by?

I'm sure it's not because you're a racist. It's rather because you want a certain lifestyle, and you want other people to pay for it. Well, the tenants at DKM are fully funding their own lifestyle, and then some. But for you, it can never be enough.

So perhaps the solution is to burn the DKM to the waterline, seize the boats, and auction them off. The money from auction can go into the general revenue fund for whatever pet projects you deem appropriate.

October 22, 2015 11:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Same difference, considering the overall issue at hand.

How much revenue does the majority of District 2 people, who will hardly ever see that exclusive building, generate?

October 22, 2015 11:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You're the one venting spleens and supporting unwise City Hall spending. Wild guess: you are a boat owner. That particular building seems way to important for you. Not most people.

The solution is to spend whatever little money the All mighty City spares for the Grove according to most Grove people's needs or desires. Not just for a small minority. Realistic? I gave up on serious secession efforts and other dreams long ago..

I'll stop here, gotta work, perhaps one day everyone will be able to buy a boat too and sail the world enjoying $3 Million McMansions to take their showers and do laundry. For now, the vast majority of us walk, ride bikes, drive or take endless buses or expensive taxis, go to parks with shitty trailer-trash roller bathrooms, and would love a decent Theater that everyone can attend and be proud of.

October 22, 2015 11:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

wow.. I missed the ad hominem part about "racism" or "life-style jealousies".. you've no idea to whom you're talking to, dude, not wasting more time on you, I wrote all I had to say for other people.

October 22, 2015 11:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I must point out that a fake is amongst us. Someone who is NOT me, is now posting comments as THAT GUY.

I am the one true THAT GUY,and I must ask that you ignore any others who attempt to cause chaos and confusion.

In an odd twist, the THAT GUY post on this thread was not incorrect or disagreeable, which makes it even more confusing.

PS. swlip - some people are too stupid to understand even when it's explained to them like a 5 yr old. let it go.


October 22, 2015 11:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's the twisted, classic City Hall rationale behind some of the comments:

"If it doesn't pay for itself, don't build it. Don't fix it. Spend the little money available for District 2, straight from all Tax Payers' pockets, on whatever brings revenue to the City of Miami. (A juicy RFP or 2 never hurts for major Concrete Contracts, as everyone knows)

Hence, Grovites, penny for penny, pound for pound, most of you are royally screwed, as usual, as always. Everyone knows that, except.. a few boat owners, perhaps. One way or the other. No Theater, no Trolley, limited budget for all endless street projects, (what's next after 27th av. few blocks construction that took about 8 years?) poor lighting, drainage, parking and what have you. Use ugly, concrete park benches or filthy trailers for toilets to save a buck or 2. Invest only on whatever brings more revenue to the insatiable, voracious "City".

An allegedly "self-funded" exclusive McMansion few people even know where it is, or what it's for, let alone ever use? Sure, no problem! Spend whatever you've got, issue bonds, refinance, borrow from the neighbor, anything it takes to build the $3 Million exclusive thing in 6 months.

October 22, 2015 12:27 PM  
Anonymous swlip said...

The people who pay for it use it. Why do you have a problem with that?

And it's not "allegedly" self-funded. It clearly is self-funded. Even more than self-funded, it provides a net benefit to the city. You can find all the numbers I've discussed for yourself at You will find it under Real Estate & Asset Management.

Finally, despite my best of intentions, I don't own a boat at DKM, or anywhere else.

October 22, 2015 2:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The people who pay for it use it. Why do you have a problem with that?"

Hilarious. You just don't get it. Not wasting more time on you.

October 22, 2015 3:10 PM  

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