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Tuesday, December 09, 2014

How the 3 am bar closing time continues to haunt us

I met a couple recently who own three major restaurants in New York. They came to Miami to check out Coconut Grove. On Saturday night they walked around and spent time here. They were not pleased by what they saw.

They had a late dinner at a Grove restaurant and when they were told what the cut off time was for serving liquor they made up their minds. They now are checking out other areas of the city as a location for their new upscale restaurant.

It's interesting to me that we have all these developers coming in promising upscale this and upscale that and the bar closing time may just shoot them all in the foot when it comes to renting out locations to new restaurants. Now that the upscale crowd wants to be out and party late, it is all a big conflict now.

Isn't it ironic.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Its too late the grove is a thing of the past.i hope all the old farts who forgot how to have a good time are happy now that they destroyed the grove.

December 09, 2014 10:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's dead everywhere waaayyyy before 3am anyway. Take "FAM night this Saturday: pathetic. A couple of lost piano players, a little Flamenco just for La Gamba, and that horrific Hip-Hop Santa Xmas chants little part they had for children, forcing the poor kids to sing, not many stood around for more than 5 minutes, impossible to stand the artificial noise there in front of Paragon, glad they finished at 9pm sharp. Sad but true, if you went out there..

December 09, 2014 12:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Durn...where's Alan Laynrt to the rescue when we need him?? this was a rude vile remark, but at least this person did not bash the SB lolol

December 09, 2014 12:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey it is also happening in the residential neighborhoods, drive around or go to City of Miami building department and ask how many mac mansions with treeless little yards are being built right now. At the current pace Coconut Grove is going to look totally ugly in a couple of years, thanks to the visionaries who know what is right for everyone.

December 09, 2014 12:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks Sarnoff!

December 09, 2014 1:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

lol what im seeing above are comments from out of touch, irrelevant humans. this is not a newsworthy piece. not even college kids stay in the grove past 3am... not sure how changing that time has anything to do with the new developers coming into the neighborhood. if current restaurant and bar owners truly felt demand for very late business, they'd fight to stay open.
there is also no connection between "upscale this and upscale that" and staying open late. does. not. make. sense. as usual.

December 09, 2014 1:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I couldn't be happier with the 3am last call.

So we need to have a 5am last call so New Yorkers have a place to eat at 4am? Not my vision for the Grove.

December 09, 2014 4:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

returning to the "old Grove" (we never can do that), means at least trying to keep a safe, residential, neighborhood feel. I remember when the bars stayed open to 5am - driving to my workout at 5:30 was often an encounter with drunks, in cars or not. Runners and cyclists are also out at that hour and do not need to have their workouts threatened by early morning drinkers and revelers. Isn't partying until 3am enough? If they must spend more time drinking let them go someplace else.

December 09, 2014 4:51 PM  
Anonymous Charles Corda said...

Coconut Grove is a residential community first and a retail / entertainment destination second. We do not need to compete with South Beach or Brickell or Downtown or anywhere else for that matter... Coconut Grove's draw is it's charm and unique environmental qualities..neither of which will be enhanced by bars open to 5am..We don't need that nor do i believe does anyone who lives here want that.If you want to drink till 5am go elsewhere....

December 09, 2014 5:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If our wonderful politicians, the government, democrats or republicans, same difference, order us to go to bed before 3am, then we should simply obey in silence. And be thankful for their enlightening wisdom.

December 09, 2014 7:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

@ Corda

I couldn't agree more. Whatever your opinion of the changes taking place in the Grove, a 5AM last call will only hurt, not help. If you want a jack and coke at 4:30AM, make it yourself or drive to the beach.

December 09, 2014 8:22 PM  
Blogger Tony Scornavacca Jr. said...

I thought that 5:am was the last call in the Grove.

Regardless, the new businesses are coming here, for sure.

The Grove is becoming the topic of conversation around town because people notice the balmy atmosphere and it's a nice place to relax, away from the hustle-bustle.

December 09, 2014 9:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can't have a "village" feeling in the Grove AND have bars stay open until 5am. If folks want to drink until 5am they should go to Miami Beach.

December 10, 2014 8:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I respectfully disagree, who is to say the chicken or the egg came first, a vibrant community will go into balanced only if freedoms of residents, business and the environments they exist in have respect within their physical borders.

December 10, 2014 8:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I totally agree with Charles Corda. 'Nuff said.

December 10, 2014 10:24 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's compromise with City Hall: Make it 3:45am, please, and then we go home. We'll be good boys, promise, and will behave according to the Law.

December 10, 2014 1:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is surprising that Mr. Corda is taking the same line as Mr. Sarnoff against bars, clubs and a natural need for young people to congregate and socialize as it has been done in our community for years and generations. In addition a vibrant night scene creates and created jobs when it existed in the grove throughout the past century. I guess more jobs is not going to create more demand for low income housing!

December 10, 2014 1:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We should elect anyone who shuts everything down before 1am and sends everyone away.

December 10, 2014 4:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So it is becoming a political issue already, we can't shake off Sarnoff off our backs, yuck. I wonder what the Mrs. is going to say?

December 10, 2014 5:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


If you think the businesses are coming back, you've been drinking since 5am...

December 10, 2014 6:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Haywood Jablome,

I rememmber the good old grove full of people who loved to party and people who loved us being there.

December 10, 2014 9:12 PM  
Anonymous Hugh Jarce said...

I miss the Tigertail Lounge and the Hungry Sailor.

December 10, 2014 11:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you want to have a normal night life and have fun without teenager stupid restrictions, go to South Beach or Brickell, or anywhere else. Here in the New, progre$$$ive Grove for "adults", all we want are more developer$ more tall buildings and a big Walmart, and lots of Gap stores too. A bigger Home Depot and a few more CVS's and Starbucks wouldn't hurt either. And the street music, if any, stops at 9pm per City ordinance.

December 11, 2014 8:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

According to the "Genetic Literacy Project" 1st apes,monkeys and then humans followed in the consumption of alcoholic dehydrogenase (ADH4) 10-million years ago and folks have gotten drunk ever since. IOW's, us sober literate Grovites don't need a bunch of ape like drunks running loose about 5:00 AM. Get out, go away, get lost and good riddance.

December 11, 2014 8:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Apes follow orders from anyone when properly trained, much like like some Grovites, they like to be told what to do, when and where.

December 11, 2014 11:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually, if you think about it the old Grove is alive and well. Businesses fail in central Grove because the old Grove isn't interested, nor are our guest patrons who won't pay out mucho bucks for stuff with fancy/empty names, after all how many names does one need to call coffee, coffee or give me a Joe? We had the bay and we still have the bay. Key West, Key Largo, Coconut Grove, Miami Beach, Hialeah - - -we'll all here and know where to go to have a good time. We have Gringo's, Latins and Blacks, a few Asians and Middle Eastern's, good music, eateries, blue skies and Northeasterly's 87% of the year. Christmas and New Years is right around the corner and we had no hurricanes - - - - are we blessed or what? Jobie Steppe

December 11, 2014 3:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wait wait... Good music in the Grove? Where?

December 11, 2014 5:34 PM  
Anonymous Lowell Kuvin said...

The Village Inn was one of the most successful if not the most successful bar/restaurants in the Grove and it closed at 3 am. In fact it out lasted several other clubs that closed at 5 am. How late a bar/restaurant is allowed to stay open is not indicative of whether it is going to "make it."

December 12, 2014 12:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lowell, the problem is really not 3am or 5am or no am, it is the ethical problem involved in giving licenses, then taking it away and finally giving it back only to one business for political reasons. First, essentially making it OK to serve alcohol till 5am therefore allowing a slew of establishments to build, invest and adapt their business models around the longer work hours to cater and take advantage of the new opportunities to make more money, pay more taxes and create more jobs. The message the 5am situation has sent is that any ones business and livelihood in the area can be disrupted at anytime for political reasons.

December 12, 2014 6:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 6:21 UUUUUUUUUU are so right. I initiated leading the way for artist who owned homes throughout the Grove to sell their art from their homes. My motive, of course, was to continue making money AND equally let it be known that art, art and more art was available directly from artist to the customer. A list and map was to be made available making it easy for folks to locate their artist of choice or to cruise about the Grove seeking out all sorts of art forms, and create a name for the Grove connected to "The Old Grove" concept.

The art brokers got together and had code enforcement hit me with 8 code violations, liens totaling $876,000.00, the City of Miami paid a team of attorney's to fight my lawsuit about $700.000.00, of taxpayer dollars. The trial took about 4 hours, a city attorney was fired after stating all I did was "exchange emotions" which he advised he considered to be "a non-profit business"!? UUUUUUUUU are so right.

Jobie Steppe

December 13, 2014 9:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

9:30 that is why Anonymous posts should be allowed in Coconut Grove, because folks should express their reasonable views and experiences without fear of losing their livelihood.

December 13, 2014 12:48 PM  
Blogger GrovieMom said...

Leave it at 3am please! Go party on South Beach afterwards if you want to keep going.

December 14, 2014 11:19 PM  
Anonymous Bryan said...

Jobie, your desire to sell your stuff without having to contribute to the community by renting a vacant space, paying taxes, etc has nothing to do with this discussion. You were trying to side step the law, cheat the 33133 out of revenue, and you got called on it.

December 17, 2014 3:50 PM  

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