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Monday, November 10, 2014

They want to add even more buildings to Grove Isle

I'm not sure if the new Grove Isle owners, Grove Isle Associates, are being spiteful or not, but now their plans are to build two 80 foot high residential buildings that would go along with their plans to add the 12 story tower which was originally planned. It was 18 stories and then sized down to 12 stories after residential complaints on the island. Most residents on the island are against any new development and feel that the island should remain as-is, but as of now, the plans (which have not been approved by the City) have changed again and the goal of the developer is to saturate the small island with lots more residential units. Originally it was just that one ugly high rise that looked nothing like the other three buildings that are there now. You can follow the story with related stories here.

The new 80 foot buildings would be on the east side of the island, where the hotel is now. The new buildings would make a semi-circle and wrap around the end of the island. 

The developer has not received permission yet to move forward on any development on the island.

According to the Preserve Grove Isle Group:

1) In their Memorandum of Law, Weiss and Serota (Grove Isle Board’s lawyers)  relied on  the Settlement of 1977 to argue that Grove Isle is already fully developed. How does this argument interface with the new proposals before the City of Miami Planning Board?

2) The Developer previously proposed an 18 story tower to the City of Miami.  Where does that proposal stand?  Has it been withdrawn, disapproved or is it still pending?

3) The Developer modified the proposed 18 story tower to a 12 story tower.  Where does that proposal stand?  Has it been withdrawn, disapproved or is it still pending?

4) Where does the effort of the Developer to rezone part of his property to Miami 21 T6-8 now stand?  (This would allow for the Tower).  Has that been withdrawn, disapproved or is it still pending?

5) In the event of the  Developer possibly gaining permission to build 80 ft high multi-story residential condos, can he later build upward on top of  them if granted a rezoning or a variance?  Given the high density of the proposed buildings, is this a ruse to encourage residents of Grove Isle to support an 80 ft high multi-story project with a view to turning it into a fully-fledged high tower at a later stage?

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is 4 attempts to ruin a rare tropical island remnant of Biscayne Bayside return for profit.
The City of Miami needs to ignore or veto these types of mindless and predatory developments.
The City of Miami must learn to say "no" to this type of growth.

November 10, 2014 10:05 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

$2 hookers don't say 'no' to any proposal, no matter how disease-ridden it appears.

November 10, 2014 1:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Reminds me of a previous developer's +4 law firms pushing the City to the limit to get his Yacht Club in.

November 10, 2014 2:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Im looking forward to this project said nobody

November 10, 2014 2:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sounds like strong arm tactics in behalf of the developer, trying to scare everyone with these 80ft towers, so to then settle and scale back to their original 12 story tower.

Why don't we just vote Sarnoff out of office. This would send a message to the commission that they could also be next.

November 10, 2014 3:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yikes! Think of the traffic on Tigertail.

November 10, 2014 3:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who cares about peace and quiet and less traffic and nature or open horizons and clear sunrises and all that, huh, as long as a few soul-less "developers" further develop their fat wallets, and spill a few stinking bucks around.

November 10, 2014 8:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wasn't this a spoil (i.e. man made) island? I don't think this even existed when Ralph Munro was puttering around in his sailboat, so let's not wax too much about the environment. I'm sure people were groaning about the first wave of condos on this island.

And Sarnoff is term limited. Besides, what does he have to do with this?

November 10, 2014 10:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why should anyone get a variance to Miami 21? I thought the whole fanfare about Miami 21 was that the code was set in stone.

November 10, 2014 10:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon@10:20, do you live in the area? More buildings = more traffic and worse daily mess = less splendid waterviews, cut horizons, no more sunrises/sunsets for many, many people in the vecinity plus passers by = Thousands upon thousands of people eventually affected, over time -and with no future fix once the buildings are built. Get a grip.

November 11, 2014 10:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What are you talking about? This thread is about the Grove Isle construction plan. That view was ruined when the city agreed decades ago to build the towers currently on the island. That battle has been lost.

As far as sunrises go, a short drive to Key Biscayne or Miami Beach is what most people do. Regarding sunsets: drive to Naples, because you can't see much from the Grove.

Of course, you could always buy a penthouse on one of the new buildings and see a sunset that way! ;)

November 11, 2014 1:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

@ Anon November 10, 2014 10:20 PM
Recalling Sarnoff would send a strong signal to every official that Miami is not their fiefdom and it is still part of the United States.

November 11, 2014 4:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What does Sarnoff have to do with this? This is a zoning/property right battle that is settled in court. A lot of you have an exaggerated opinion about what Sarnoff is able to do and wants to do.

Honestly, if it wasn't for Sarnoff, some of you wouldn't know who to blame when you stub your toe on your way to the bathroom at 2am.

November 11, 2014 4:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He doesn't come across as a nice and honest guy.

November 11, 2014 6:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

@ 1:14 .. "That view was ruined when the city agreed decades ago to build the towers currently on the island. "

Buildings add up, depends on where you're tripping from, sir. You obviously have zero clue about the Grove or simple, basic concepts such as Horizon, various Perspectives, Sunrise/Sunset, Traffic Jams, etc. So enough words wasted here.

November 11, 2014 7:01 PM  
Blogger Tony Scornavacca Jr. said...

I'm curious. What is the name of this developer person? I think that he made a mistake by purchasing this land, thinking that he was going to build a hi-rise. The plan is not very feasible.

November 12, 2014 5:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr Avila was also "involved with the marketing and development of over 1,300 residences on Brickell, including Brickell Place and the phenomenally successful Brickell Key."

November 12, 2014 3:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Apparently I would need to give you a 4th grade geography course on the difficulties of enjoying a sunset from a built up suburb on the Florida east coast unless you live in a condo or on top of a cell tower. Enough words wasted indeed.

Don't bother responding as I don't plan to check on this thread again.

November 12, 2014 4:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Following all the comments on this story it sure looks like @7:01 and @4:00 have met here many time before LOL.

November 12, 2014 5:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

@4pm: try again: simple words: Perspective (aka "point of view); Traffic -Jam; Sun up; Sun down. - New, bigger Building ; Repeat. perspective, buildings... one more time..

November 12, 2014 7:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

@4pm please don't go! Are you a local? realtor? contractor?

November 12, 2014 8:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The City of Miami Legal Dept and the City's Planning Director are feverishly working for Walmart to put a new massive Walmart in Midtown Miami. Sarnoff is aggressively supporting Walmart and its lobbyist, disgraced ex-Mayor Manny Diaz.
Being heard Nov 20th at Silly Hall.

November 16, 2014 12:06 PM  
Blogger Grovie Mom said...

I live near Grove Isles and I'm terrified of this getting approved! The traffic is going to be a nightmare! Plus I don't like the idea of another tower going up, especially one that will look completely different from the three we have now. I do agree that maybe some renovations can be made, but we don't need another tower.

November 19, 2014 11:32 PM  

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