Will late night bar closings come back?
There are rumblings going around that the new office workers in the Grove want the late night bars back. Someone from one of the ad agencies asked me the other day about it. And then someone else chimed in. They wondered if the new commissioner coming into office in November would change the Coconut Grove bar closing times back to 5 am now that a much younger crowd is part of the Grove.
Someone from Sapient said that he heard the whole mess about 3 am/5 am was really about getting business into Midtown Miami and now it's time to bring it back to the Grove. I don't think that was the issue back then and I really don't see the bar closing times changing now. The only bar that is still around that had the late night hours and lost them is Mr. Moe's and they eventually got their late night hours back. The other four bars went out of business due to the time change.
But the Grove is changing fast, new residents are moving in and a much younger crowd is here during the day and evening. Many have moved to the Grove to be closer to work. And many of them will hopefully be voting in the next election. So it may be something the candidates may want to address.
Ironically, The Goose closed too soon. I think with all the ad agency people right across the street, it would have been an excellent hang out with the pool tables, craft beer and food. It wasn't a late night spot but it was almost made for office workers who would pop in and out all the time.
One interesting note is that Mr. Moe's has a Teresa Sarnoff for Commissioner sign in their window. Interesting in light of what went on over the years. I sort of resent this in a way because I took the side of Mr. Moe's and fought for them when I didn't have to and so did many others and then for them to behave like nothing happened is sort of strange.
"Strange Bedfellows" are words that come to mind. I know it bothers people because I didn't see the sign, but others have, and they've texted and emailed it to me. I've reached out to Mr. Moe's but received no response.
Someone from Sapient said that he heard the whole mess about 3 am/5 am was really about getting business into Midtown Miami and now it's time to bring it back to the Grove. I don't think that was the issue back then and I really don't see the bar closing times changing now. The only bar that is still around that had the late night hours and lost them is Mr. Moe's and they eventually got their late night hours back. The other four bars went out of business due to the time change.
But the Grove is changing fast, new residents are moving in and a much younger crowd is here during the day and evening. Many have moved to the Grove to be closer to work. And many of them will hopefully be voting in the next election. So it may be something the candidates may want to address.
Ironically, The Goose closed too soon. I think with all the ad agency people right across the street, it would have been an excellent hang out with the pool tables, craft beer and food. It wasn't a late night spot but it was almost made for office workers who would pop in and out all the time.
One interesting note is that Mr. Moe's has a Teresa Sarnoff for Commissioner sign in their window. Interesting in light of what went on over the years. I sort of resent this in a way because I took the side of Mr. Moe's and fought for them when I didn't have to and so did many others and then for them to behave like nothing happened is sort of strange.
"Strange Bedfellows" are words that come to mind. I know it bothers people because I didn't see the sign, but others have, and they've texted and emailed it to me. I've reached out to Mr. Moe's but received no response.
posted by Tom Falco at 5:00 AM
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11 Comments:
Mr. Moe's supporting a Sarnoff? This world has gone mad! Unless, of course, the restaurant is under new management...
As an American adult citizen, ex-military, I will obey whatever the Government tells me to do, including the lowest "officials", such as local Grove Commissioners.
If the Sarnoff ruling dynasty, or any mighty official believes I should be in bed before 3am, along with my wife and grown kids, so shall it be.
Parking is the biggest problem in the Grove. Either not available or too greedy garage owners (including the City of Miami). We are long time Brickell and Miami residents and don't frequent areas that are hard to visit. If you can't provide parking, overcharge or nickel and dime people to death, your patrons will not show up!
Peter S.
Would be great to push back closing. I'm sure it would attract more businesses.
I'm so sick of the there's no parking in the Grove myth!!!
There is parking!! I never can find parking in Brickell, Wynwood, Cora
Gables...but can always find it here.
They can push back the time to 5 am but if they dont lower rent no clubs will be returning.and nightlife is what the grove needs.AS FAR AS PARKING THERE IS MORE THAN ENOGH.when the grove was happenning there was plenty of parking and pop up parking lots plus home owners always charged to park in there yards which was really cool.plus the school and other bussineses around town charged too.it was such a great vibe and people everywhere.sure theres always a few dumb asses who cant hold there liquor but it was part of the scene.
I agree, parking is plentiful in the Grove. The Playhouse lot has quite a few spots and there's at least 2 private lots near there as well, plus the garages at Cocowalk, Mayfair, and Oak Ave. The parking spots are there. Don't be afraid to walk a little bit. Parking is NOT the issue here.
Years ago, the Grove was thriving and the parking situation hasn't drastically changed.
I would hate to see a repetition of the days when the Grove was overrun by drunk kids cruising the streets up and down and generally being obnoxious scumbags. As far as I'm concerned I hope the bar closing time stays where it's at.
Plenty of parking. Never have a problem. Why do office workers need to be drinking at 5 a.m.? Let's continue to keep our village garbage-free.
Potential measures will not be considered because of office workers whom already have authentic "village" choices such as Duffy's, Fat Tuesdays, and the Cheese Cake Factory. These measures are taken for the buyers of the record $1,100 per square foot high rise "village" condos that are in front of the new bay front "village" park. These measures are taken for developers whom buy an $87.5 million dollar commercial building in the center of the "village" and which are expecting a return on their investment. Office workers will continue to frequent the current establishments, return to their respective neighborhoods relatively early, and return the next day to a City of Miami neighborhood that they work in.
I think the final nail in the Grove's coffin was when the Improv closed down. Even though the Grove wasn't the hot spot it used to be, people would still go to the Improv because it was Miami's biggest and best Comedy club. After the Improv closed down there was pretty much no reason to go to the Grove at night anymore. I don't know if opening clubs will bring people back to the Grove, but I think opening a pool hall in the area would be a good idea.
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