History repeats itself
I was thinking of the Grove Isle issue where the current residents don't want anything else built on the island.
What's interesting is that the residents who don't want anything built because of the noise, environment and blocking of views did just that back in the 1970s when mainland residents were against the development of the island, which was called Fair Isle at the time.
Grove Isle was built on a quite beach/jungle that once was a popular beach spot and beautiful vantage point. It was a wild little island off the coast and people were not happy at the time that a developer took it over and built the current structures that are there now.
What's interesting is that the residents who don't want anything built because of the noise, environment and blocking of views did just that back in the 1970s when mainland residents were against the development of the island, which was called Fair Isle at the time.
Grove Isle was built on a quite beach/jungle that once was a popular beach spot and beautiful vantage point. It was a wild little island off the coast and people were not happy at the time that a developer took it over and built the current structures that are there now.
posted by Tom Falco at 10:00 AM
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Now would be a good time to build on stilt beams, say about 3 stories from sea level. And as the sea rises their grandchildren can catch fish from their balconies. Plus make the structure out of glass so no one can complain about losing their view. Better yet, if their view is blocked the City & County who must approve the permit to build should give all tenants who lose their view a free pass for the tower about to be built at Bayside so they can have a new view. And perhaps a free cup of Joe! Jobie Steppe
so true, thats how I explain it to my friends (who only visit a couple of weeks a year from Mx) in their PH at the Ritz Carlton complaining about the construction noise of the Grand Bay-- they wont come to Miami now and raise all kinds of hell about the noise--- I told them they should have been living in a bungalow down the street when the Ritz Carlton went up if they wanna hear noise !!!! shuts them right up
I thought Grove Isle was a spoil island - i.e., landfill.
The grove isle residents are not at fault here nor should they be mocked. They did not build. It was the developers and city officials who created the problem. Just like in the 70's they want to protect their investment. Don't focus your hateful or envious comments towards them. Or is it because they are well off retirees that makes them an easy target? It the developers and their influence and the politicians bending the law that created this mess back then and now.
Based on the original comment and subsequent responses, it seems like you guys are serious believers in Karma. However, the current residents of the island or its surrounding neighborhoods are not the parties responsible for either creating the problem nor should they receive the "just punishment" you guys seem to imply. To have them pay back for someone else's sins (developers and city of Miami) you are just wishing for this type of problem not to go away, to stay in a never ending spiral of a "screw them" mentality. Current residents on and off the island want exactly what the past grove residents wanted, no more development. The big difference in my opinion is that now we have more at stake. The whole area has changed and become more populated and has less infrastructure to support it. Now, more than back then, a firm stance against further development is required. For any development to happen on that island, it will take "unconventional" means or methods to get accomplished. Now we are supposed to have a Miami 21 ordinance, which is meant to avoid just this type of problem. But the developers is asking for a rezoning. In other words, make an exception for a development project worth in the hundreds of millions. I strongly suggest you guys read and keep yourselves informed before making such shallow statements.
Not sure why people are starting to now troll the comments from Grove Isle. No one is putting them down, no one wants construction there, except for the developers. I literally live across from the Island, I would face that mess daily during construction and after as it blocks more of my views, it would not be a pretty thing. I only made an observation here that everyone has had to deal with construction from day one in Miami it seems and each generation complains about it and probably will be complaining 100 years from now.
As for the snob who thinks people are envious. I think you have that wrong. People choose NOT to live on Grove Isle. I think if I ever chose to live on an island, it would be in the Keys, not Grove Isle, although there's nothing wrong with that.
PS, this is just a commentary on the world we live in. For those who feel they are being picked on, why don't you reread the story and substitute another word for Grove Isle, like Miami or Wynwood or Coconut Grove or New York City.
Im with you grape, just checked back in since earlier this AM and I am the poster about the friends in the Ritz Carlton complaining about Grand Bay noise. Not picking on anyone its just the way the cookie crumbles otherwise you gotta live out in the hills or even better, the mountains and have beautiful unspoiled nature. I am from a family here for 90 years and if I didnt accept the changing nature of this Miami environment (often for the worse) I'd go 100% nuts as opposed to just 50%. You gotta just roll with the punches
It's just human nature; developers want to develop homes for humans, with a view, for about 7-Billion inhabitants of space ship earth. Where do you expect all these humans to sleep? Remember those squatters off Card Sound Rd.? And the Gov. had to halt rapid construction of homes in Biscayne Bay & shore up rules, regulations & laws to deal with an increasing population of anchorage dwellers, not to mention our beloved Jimbo's. Dogs, cats, deer, rabbit's etc., etc., & etc., just get on the ground and go to sleep, but we humans require a roof, walls and windows with views - - - - what's wrong with we the people? Plain old human nature! Jobie Steppe
Guys, I agree with you all, but remember what has been said, you cannot just build indiscriminately and tax our failing infrastructure. Traffic is a mess, etc. Most of these buyers are never going to spend more than a month in Miami. Some of that money is probably laundered. Same as in the 80's. The Grove is a very unique place in south Florida. Residents here as as loyal and set in their ways as they get. I agree, they need to protect this area's heritage. But it really doesn't come down to urbanism, population growth, etc. that is NOT the demand the developer wants to satisfy. He is looking after his 'demand' for money. Let's not be naive.
KEEP IN MIND, IT REALLY IS ABOUT THE INFLUENCE MONEY HAS ON POLITICIANS AND CITY OFFICIALS. MIAMI 21 WAS CREATED FOR A REASON. BUT IT SEEMS THE REASON IS NOT TO PROTECT THE RESIDENTS BUT TO ALLOW FOR MORE EXCEPTION$$$$ BY THE POLITICIANS. THIS IS WHERE THE REAL PROBLEM IS. EASY TO CHAT ABOUT PISSED OFF NEIGHBORS, TRAFFIC, NOISE, ETC. BUT TRY HOLDING OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS ACCOUNTABLE FOR UPHOLDING THE LAWS THEY THEMSELVES HAVE PASSED.
Agreed, what is a bunch of $3 mm+ beautiful condos when half of them are empty and there is not enough roads to move people around? What is a "beautiful city" full of million dollar condos owned by celebrities, athletes, rich people if there is no enforcement of the law? Its not a city or community, its a time bob waiting to explode. Its a perfect banana republic.
If Miami residents need more homes, I am sure they are not these condos we are talking about.
A lot of these comments sound just like this: It's not my fault that elephants are extinct, I did not kill them. Sure, I bought all this ivory - tons in fact, but never once did I fire a shot.
Buying something stolen is still a crime. Buying into something wrong is still wrong. Own your lives and your choices.
Anonymous 5:24, that's good!
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