Is Burn Notice staying in Coconut Grove?
Woot! Looks like Burn Notice may have a reprieve from their eviction from the Coconut Grove Expo Center. It looks as if Commissioner Marc Sarnoff has made an agreement with producers to allow the show to stay in the Grove for another year, if the show is picked up for its seventh season. This scene above, of Burn Notice filming outside the Expo Center last year, could actually be a larger blow up scene in the end.
Sarnoff has asked the producers to blow up the Expo Center for their last scene, which was actually talked about jokingly a few years ago. At the end of their run, they would demolish the place as part of a plot line. This will ensure that the park will of course be built on the spot and that Burn Notice will pick up the fee of demolishing the building and cleaning up the debris, which would cost about $500,000. There is no word on whether the producers have actually agreed to this, but it looks like it's a no-brainer. They want to stay, and it would cost them double that figure to move, so do the math.
Kudos to Sarnoff and to everyone else who loves Burn Notice and wants it to remain in Coconut Grove!
Now about them trees in Center Grove . . .
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81 Comments:
WOW! Now this is what "leadership" is about. Negotiate a win - win,
everyone is happy, and everyone saves money in the big picture.
I can't believe it!
The Russian
Henry Ford once said, "don't find fault. Find a remedy." We need more of it like this solution instead of the usual whining and complaining.
Tony--the Troll under the Bridge :-)))
You mean after there was a local outcry over the stupidity of throwing them out immediately, letters of complaint from around the States, with the issue of The Park still being viewed with skepticism, unhappy locals and current issues with our current three park unresolved.
Yeah. Sure.
I guess that's considered great "leadership" in Russia.
American
Win win?
You cannot be serious!
Television shows are not licensed, bonded or interested in the destruction of real buildings. This is a specialty profession outside of entertainment. You'll notice the producer declined to even comment. Sarnoff's attempt to force the hand of the show? So when they decline, he'll throw up his hands and moan, "I tried!" My best bet? Burn Notice is already packing.
There's no verification of this. From the producers. This could be some serious smoke. After the behavior of Sarnoff and the commissioners, I'll wait for an official announcement. Not a Marc Safnoff sound bite
BURN NOTICE DID NOT AGREE TO THIS DEAL at all. Sarnoff simply releases his "series finale" idea.
Considering Rissia's reputation for corruption in government and their entire collapse due to that government, someone claiming to be The Russian lauding Sarnoff is more ominous to me than something to be considered high praise.
The capitulation to Burn Notice staying had nothing to do with "leadership" and mostly to do with the impending negative media sh*tstorm he was facing.
What will local businesses do once Burn Notice is gone? That was the complaint in the beginning, now that isn't a issue?
Is your ego incapable of saying
something good when appropriate?
Of course there are numerous bad
decisions and positions taken.
That is another isue.
Get a life, and give the man the
little (very little) credit he may
deserve.
Channel six this morning said that they will be staying and blowing up the expo. This is funny I blogged on then "Let's beautify the waterfront; dump City Hall" I stated that "Maybe they can make an agreement to use the expo in their grand final episode and they can all put in money and blow up the expo. and the grand bay hotel. Then we all go out with a bang.” I guess that Sarnoff may read blogs???….. We won this one for BN but we cannot keep our guard down this may just be a bone given to us in order to say that the commissioners do listen to the community in order to use this for re-election when time comes. I am actually excited to see them blow up the EXPO I will be taking that day off from work. We need to be able to find out the day….. Great job by all that posted sent emails and voiced their opinion on this matter.
JC
JC,
Nothing was won.
Feel free to call Fox and ask them.
Blowing up the building was DECLINED by the production.
Many times film companies will put out feelers across the country and invite bids for movies to come in and film a scheduled demolition for an agreed upon fee. When a deal is made, the producers then meet with a licensed, bonded demo specialist company to discuss what can be achieved artistically from the demo company's standpoint. Many things must be considered - the safety of surrounding buildings, electrical wiring, city power, sewers, gas lines, etc. In addition, the movie will budget for scores of cameras and cameramen, each costing about $7k to 10k each to film the actual demo. It is a long arduous process, despite the fact the movie company is only filming a real explosion.
Good thing Burn Notice turned them down.
Sarnoff says "rent free" and "$500,000" (double the rent) in the same sentence. What a small time hick politician!
Did Sarnoff's office send out media releases saying that BN accepted his deal?
Every media source I see seems to think BN is staying and mentions the explosive finale.
Sounds like a good spin technique. When BN finally issues a statement declining the offer Sarnoff's office gets to say,"Well, we tried".
Hollywood writers get a laugh out of "Sarnoff has asked the producers to blow up the Expo Center for their last scene, which was actually talked about jokingly a few years ago. At the end of their run, they would demolish the place as part of a plot line."
And blog, "Geez, are city officials now going to put us out of a job? I dunno about Burn Notice but any other show wouldn't plan an entire season character arc based on a deal to double someone's rent."
Burn Notice is a steady ratings earner and could very well get a swell of support for seasons seven and eight. Better to move now and be able to write what is best for the show than bow to such a request."
"Kudos to Sarnoff and to everyone else who loves Burn Notice..."
Sarnoff does not love Burn Notice. Get real.
At JC - I am just wondering, why would anyone call Fox to ask them about this?
What does Fox have to do with this? (BN is on USA)
Oh, you were just talking out of the wrong end again? Good work.
If you're gonna troll, try harder. Nothing is set, but the possibility is out there. No reason to come in blasting, and screaming at the top of your lungs like chicken little, when you clearly don't know anything at all.
Btw that' was not a rhetorical question. How are all the news outlets reporting on BN's staying and pyrotechnic finale if supposedly the show itself hasn't made a statement?
Was there a mass misunderstanding among the press members at the meeting or was there a general press release and of so, by whom?
Anonymous 9:36 thanks for the information on how it works in the industry. So it seems that there is more to this than what was released to the media. We will have to wait for the offcial .notice from BN so once again it seems that Sarnoff is playing games. JC
Wasn't this an episode of the Simpsons?
Hollywood comes to Springfield to make a movie.
The town takes advantage of the production and tries to squeeze as much of that sweet Hollywood mega$ as possible.
Hollywood production and all their $ leave with a bitter taste in their mouth.
After this little mess, from their face book page, Burn Notice is looking actively in Broward. If you hold "private" talks, you aren't suppose to go to the press. I bet Sarnoff didn't even talk with the producers. After his little hissy fit at the commission meeting, I bet they decided to take their toys and go elsewhere. They probably didn't even contact him and he thought this little ploy would bring them to the table after saying the table was closed. Sarnoff is trying to save face after making a BIG mess. You get what you vote for.
Kudo's to Sarnoff for proving yet again what a little nasty sourpuss he is and moving on to the next project trying to destroy Coconut Grove.
Burn Notice declined the commissioners' "generous" offer of having their rent doubled AND blowing up the convention center.
This is Sarnoffs style. Create a problem that doesn't exist then come up with a way to solve it so he looks like he is doing something good.
who watches burn notice ???????????
About 5 million people.
Who watches Burn Notice?
Apparently quite a few vocal and well informed people from around the city, the state, the nation and the world. Have you been paying any attention at all???????
The issue isn't just Burn Notice. The issues are Sarnoff's method of doing business, the Grove's current and future revenue, a park where we already have three with existing problems and last but not least, the demolition of a historically significant structure unique to the area to make way for a pet project.
This is not just a Sarnoff issue. If some of you had attended the meetings at City Hall, you'd know that ALL Comissioners fully agree on the future plans for that area, as envisioned years.... ago in the WaterFront Master plan. There are proposed motions, sometimes they agree, or don't, blame the Mayor then too, all the commisioners and ALL your City of Miami representatives.. This has become childish play trying to pinpoint a "villain"..
And with many personal vendettas and economic interests involved, I might add.. not necessarily the well-being of a large majority or residents and visitors would couldn't care less a bout a tv show.
Those people are not activists, they don't write on blogs or show up at CH. But they would like to see some water, for a change.
It's a City isssue, not a "Grove" issue, or an "evil Sarnoff" soap opera. All City officials want that Ugly Expo Center building to go, eventually. Many residents as yours truly would prefere to see Water views instead of such a large, concrete eye sore.
An improved WATER front (virtually non existant now)many more tourists, visitors and ultimately businesses would be attracted. How many Hollywood shows does Brickel, or South Beach or Key Biscayne harbor?
They seem to be doing just fine, certainly much better financially than the Grove and the city of Miami.
Burn Notice has had a SWEEEEEEETT deal here in the Grove. Their low rent and location is RIDICULOUS compared to similar venues. They were supposed to stay one year, turned into 2, 3, 4... 7 years now. The City has been more than flexible and accomodating in this case.
Again, it's a City of Miami issue, and Sarnoff is just one of dozens of top decision-makers you elected trying to do the right thing on our pathetic, so called "Bayside".
CI
Another poster who has no idea what Burn Notice pays but is happy to pontificate anyway.
Let's see:
Rent 20K month, FPL, 18K a month(would pay at any studio but much less monthly as there is no way to turn anything off in the CGCC, transformers to bring in that power since the convention center power room can fill power - 16K a month. Roof repairs, bathroom repairs, rolling door repair - average 10-15k a month over a year. What venues are you talking about? The ones that include all of that and security and landscaping?
And they were supposed to...do what? Every year they negotiated a lease in good faith and for a substantial rate hike in the past two. There is a reason no lease has been released to show "they" promised to leave, because there isn't one. The lease was year to year. No "supposed" to do anything. Talk about childish - do you research.
Finally, it is very clear from the comments of other commissioners who wants them to stay and who wants them to go. And the guy who just a week ago was screaming his citizens wanted, demanded a park, now turns around and says he can pass on the park as long as the show doubles their rent payment and destroys the building on film for him.
The commission meeting last week was filled to capacity with people who want them to stay. I must have missed those throngs in the parking lot carrying signs demanding eviction. So did the press.
All hail the Master Plan! Hallowed be thy ink!
Carlos, for all your verbosity you keep saying the same two things over and over and over like some sort of religious mantra.
1). It's the Master Plan (hallowed be thy name and purpose)
The only thing that really means to me is that the insiders who would benefit off the deals they made in the past years would not get what was paid for.
Any sufficiently high ranking military officer will tell you that no plan survives first contact with the enemy. The enemy in this case is reality and the will of the local residents who have heard these lines before, time and again.
2) you keep rolling out this bs line about "ocean views".
Anyone familiar with the area knows there are no views of anything from where this park will be situated except for a view of the barrier islands and Dinner Key Marina.
The only view it will improve is that of the residents on the west side of Bayshore.
The Sonesta, The Ritz Carlton, whoever is the front runner for developing the Coconut Grove Bank property and any other properties currently in negotiations there.
Crying "bay views" just rings as a false flag argument for the developers.
Why should we believe (okay, I won't single out Sarnoff) the top decision makers ( and here I'm reminded of the movie Raiders of the Lost Ark and the line at the end "top men") give a damn about parks or views when they have done nothing for our existing parks for years?
If the powers that be cared one iota for parks or bay views the property between the Barnacle and Peacock Park would never have been sold for condos. It would have been purchased and the property would have connected Peacock and the Barnacle and could have been turned into a world class park with one of the most beautiful views of Biscayne Bay in Miami.
Instead it was sold so a few wealthy folks so they could have a 33133 zip. Now they want their own stop light because waiting 30 seconds for a break in traffic is just too much of an inconvenience.
If you want to see the last, best view in the Grove you need to ask whoever lives in that last McMansion at the end of the park to let you visit because he bought it. He paid a pretty penny for that view that should have belonged to every resident of the Grove and the City of Miami. :(
I'm not sure where you are from.but the general consensus here in the United States is that the politicians do what the people want, not the other way around. Just the fact that there is a Master Plan (hallowed be thy name and purpose) from years ago does not mean that it's a GOOD plan or that it cannot be changed.
Finally- You keep saying how much business and tourism this park would bring in and I'm curious if you have any citations to back that claim up?
Seriously, in your statements you come across (IMHO) as someone who stands to profit by property value rising on something you own in the area on the west side of Bayshore.
Old Fart
Let me quote Carlos from a previous post.
" I'm done with the subject."
I see that you are not done. We all know how you feel now. You can have your third park in about a year!
Larry David
Center Grove Resident
Dear Old Fart and Larry David,
I came here to refute the ridiculous "master plan" scenario.
I can't do it.
You guys said it much better and infinitely funnier than I could have ever done!!!!!!
Commissioners, leave the damn TV show, let 'em stay at their rent so they can repair as they go what needs to be done to continue working safely inside and be done with it. Local vendors will benefit for another year and if the production people do get yet another season after that, they will have ample time and knowledge to move.
If you knew anything at all about the film business, you would know that doubling the rent will reduce the amount of local workers to compensate. These shows only continue to run if the stick to a budget.
I'd rather see more Miami workers ACTUALLY working than money into that same old park story.
Miami Herald, you need a better fact checking system, by the way.
You know what would make the waterfront awesome? If Dinner Key was made into an island again. Undo the filling job from 1914 and separate it from the mainland again! Only then will the water view from the area near the expo center be nice.
Larry,
Fourth park.
Fifth if you count the dog park on Virginia.
Sixth if you count Lincoln Park on Jackson.
Seventh if you count Marjorie Stoneman Douglas on 22nd
Eighth if you count Wainwright by Viscaya.
Ninth and tenth if you count Elizabeth Virrick Park and the little mini park on Grand. (or don't we count west Grove as part of the The Grove?)
Tenth if you count Kirk Munroe Park across from Grove Elementary.
And yet it seems folks (Top Men) currently think a new park is the answer to life, the universe and everything.
Yeah. That's the ticket.
The Old Fart is well spoken and has spoken well.
Jady
Longtime GroveRat
Anonymous at August 03, 2012 3:43 PM:
That laughable rent and other fees are NOTHING compared to the fees other similar venues on prime real estate properties charge, are you even awere of that?
Why do you think BN loves it here, year after year after year with all the , and they don't move.. "moving expenses? Yeah, right.. They ARE getting the sweetes deal any producer can dream of, in any comparable big city, similar prime locations.
2. My point was that the city has been VERY flexible. They could have pulled the plug without a long term contract years ago. Comprende?
3. "Finally, it is very clear from the comments of other commissioners who wants them to stay and who wants them to go."
Yeah, they ALL support sarnoff, the Mayor and all City offcials on the issue.That's abundantly clear, if you attended the meetings, Spence Jones, for one, spent about 15 minutes making that very, very clear, they are all in the same page. You do understand that year, after year, the decisions to tear down the place or keep BN has passed with majority aproval, and this year with 100% of the votes from ALL comissioners and your elected officials from the City of Miami?
"The commission meeting last week was filled to capacity with people who want them to stay"
I was there, what a circus.. OF COURSE the BN employees and people directly benefitting from the show were going to be there.
Others, the vast, vast majority of uninformed neighbors or casual tourist don't go to such "shows" at City Hall.. They have better things to do. they have opinions but also jobs and lives away from "BN"
CI
Esteemed Old Fart:
"2) you keep rolling out this bs line about "ocean views".
Anyone familiar with the area knows there are no views of anything from where this park will be situated except for a view of the barrier islands and Dinner Key Marina.
The only view it will improve is that of the residents on the west side of Bayshore. "
I never wrote "Ocean views", funny sir... but to the point..
"Anyone familiar to the area".. I should be, after living right across the street for 8 years, running it, biking it, kayaking it, walking it and driving it everyday.
For the last time, I hope, The ONLY water views of the Bay that regular passers by, tourists, drivers, sports people see, is a samll segment on Seminole.
Sad, but true. In 5 miles of "bayside". If you want to see more water, you get into 3 of the 4 parks, and pray for the sacred mangroves not to grow too fast. Or you go into Scotty's or Monty's, and buy a meal or the Charthouse, none of them with very good food, btw. Or you walk/run around forklifts from Monty's to Peacock, behind City Hall and the marinas.
Most people don't even know that's there.
Finally YES there are Waterviews right behind the Ugly Expo center. of course, it's adjacent to City hall.
Do yourself a favor, and have a nice walk in the area. behing the building. It's ADJACENT to the water, on the East side, capicce?
Finally, no sir, the money interests have nothing to do with me, I just like waterviews and natural secenarios as most people do. I rent here, sir, top floor just to enjoy dinner key views. That's all. Unfortunately many people don't get to see them.
However, I'M SURE most of the people blogging here and who showed up at City Hall DO have very important $$$ interests, if not a job, related to BN. Wild guess.
Sorry for typos, gotta run. This time to KB, open views there.
CI
"I'm done with the subject." CI
And yet you are still typing!
Haha, I'm loving the back and forth between the "old fart and Carlos.
A Steamed Old Fart?
Ew.
Carlos,
My bad on the "ocean view". I have lived here so long that the terms water view, ocean view, and bay view are all interchangeable in my head. Sorry for misquoting and I apologize for a misquote in another thread the other day when I quoted you about standing in your lawyers office in Coconut Grove Bank admiring the view when it was just A lawyers, not 'your' lawyers office.
Mea culpa.
But I still stand by everything else I said in that thread. :)
I think we are both desirious of a more natural view but our methods and motives are different. You have lived here for 8 years? Welcome!! As someone who has lived here for almost 50yrs and whose family has been here even longer then that I say again, welcome! This place is awesome! There's beer in the fridge, rum on the sidebar, mixers in the fridge next to the beer and that green fuzzy thing that used to be cheese, I think. Glad to have someone that appreciates and wants to better our little corner of the Everglades. But please stop moving the furniture.
Yes, that's a very propriatorial point of view but you are doing the same thing when you want to get rid of Grove landmark because you think it's ugly.
Meanwhile you say you have no $ interest because you rent but, living on the top floor of a Bayshore condo you must. You pay top dollar for the view and are annoyed that your view is polluted by that ugly, squat building.
Do myself a favor and take a walk behind the Expo!?!
Bwahahahahaha!!!
Oh wait. You're serious. Let me laugh harder!
I'm kinda familiar with that area of the Grove. ;)
Sir, when I was a wee bairn my parents would drive by the Dockmaster's office at least three or four times a week and I would say, "Goodnight Daddy dolphin. Goodnight Mama dolphin. Goodnight baby dolphin" to the stylized dolphin figures on the wall. It's one of my oldest memories. That and the sound of the halyards against the masts
I have known a dozen people over the years who have lived on boats docked there and dozens (note the s) who have lived in the Free Anchorage.
I can name 20 shrimpers (now mostly gone) who have lived and made their living behind that ugly building.
In my teen years I attended more parties on those barrier islands than I care to remember. Passing out and then awakening to sunrise on an island beach is something that I think all twenty-something's should do.
I've spent many a night at Scotty's and while I agree that the food is less than spectacular, if what your looking for is good food go to the Forge, not some little local bar.
Point is I know what's behind that building and I know that it's beautiful.
I also know that the reason people don't go back there or know about it is the local security and The City of Miami police patrol that area constantly and make sure any local or tourist that wanders back there is intimidated out of there ASAP. Some decent lighting might help to make folks aware that you CAN walk back there.
If you like your walk/run on Virginia Key and Key Biscayne I wish I could show you what it was like before it's current incarnation. Before it was turned into a bunch of parking spaces. Before the Metro-Dade police started closing it down to vehicles a half hour before sunset. I think my point here is I wish I could show you things before they were "improved" so you could see and understand that "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".
If you build a park there your only view will be the multi-story docking facilities, City Hall, barrier islands and the marina docks. Capicce? Tu se? Comprende? Verstehen? (see how threatening and egotistical that whole "understand" at the end of a comment is?)
What I'm saying is try to listen to some of the old farts and longtime residents who are trying to tell you that The Master Plan (hallowed be thy name and purpose) is in need of some fine tuning and adjustment.
Old Fart (not steamed) ;)
" If you build a park there your only view will be the multi-story dockingForget it facilities, City Hall, barrier islands and the marina docks. Capicce? Tu se? Comprende? Verstehen? (see how threatening and egotistical that whole "understand" at the end of a comment is?)"
Don't even bother man. He refuses to understand this. I've pointed this out to him on here and on Facebook but in his mind the expo center is blocking the whole waterfront. Ask him to show you old pictures of the Grove with all the great views. He doesn't understand that these buildings have been there for decades.
I don't think Grove residents who are against Burn Notice staying at the convention center have to worry. It seems that this entire controversy will soon be over as it appears the show is seeking a new home possibly in Broward County and at the same time being offered other locations in different production cities. Many seem to like the idea of a hit show in their town. For people that do not watch the show, the main characters are spies and could work their trade anywhere.
Maybe this will really result in a new park but I am really interested to see how long it will take for the building to be leveled after they leave. It will be a long process to remove the debris and I just hope we aren't left with a huge gravel pit for a long period of time. The alternative could also be to have a huge boarded up building sitting there and if so, hopefully it will be properly secured.
To the poster who wrote "Others, the vast, vast majority of uninformed neighbors or casual tourist don't go to such "shows" at City Hall.. They have better things to do. they have opinions but also jobs and lives away from "BN".
I do not consider commission meetings that affect my community a "show." I have job, kids and a "life" and that life includes trying to stay current with what is going on in what used to be a great, fun place to live.
I've never heard of this show until I started reading this. Must not be that popular.
GREAT POST!
Old Fart (not steamed) ;)
August 03, 2012 7:53 PM
I too love our waterfront and all that goes with it. Fell in love with the rustic charm 25 years ago which prompted us to make our biggest lifetime investment -- our home -- in the Grove.
I take such exception to the poster who refers to our waterfront as 'pathetic' -- that begs the questions....then why in the he$$ do you choose to live here? Life is short -- go live somewhere that you don't think it pathetic.
Also -- for the uninformed who don't know how to use google -- BN ranks in the top 5 of Cable TV shows (actually #2 last week) with a viewing audience of 3.9 million -- which is for the new shows and doesn't take syndication into account.
BN is the best PR for Miami that I have seen in 25 years. A cross between 'Miami Vice' and 'McGyver'. What camp :-)
Without BN to balance the scale -- we will retain our national notoriety for our flesh eating zombies and our corrupt politicians -- sometimes difficlcut to distinguish between the 2.
And for the other BN aficionados -- awesome season, right! Sharon Gless deserves an award for her recent performance when learning of Nate's death.
Speaking of beautiful bay views, I remember when the hangar housing Fresh Market was being readied and the sheeting was removed from the entire building giving a clear view to the bay. I was amazed at the openness of the view and stood there thinking, wow, too bad all this stuff is blocking that view. And that was just a small sliver of a view. Anybody else remember that?
I'm quite sure Carlos will be vindicated when the Expo finally comes down ... it's going to be amazing.
Uhh... Anonymous at 9:46...
SPOILER ALERT?
...That being said, and however irritating that lil slip was, I can't say I disagree with your sentiment:
"we will retain our national notoriety for our flesh eating zombies and our corrupt politicians -- sometimes difficlcut to distinguish between the 2."
So. Damn. True.
Jady.
Perpetual GroveRat
I'm quite sure Carlos will be vindicated as well, I just hope they have great sidewalks for someone to push his wheelchair through the park forty years from now when it is finally built.
Anonymous said...
"I've never heard of this show until I started reading this. Must not be that popular."
How odd. Not that I believe it, of course, but what they hey. You may have to adjust your TV set. Burn Notice is the number one rated show on cable TV.
I believe this Carlos poster must be a city commissioner, as he definitely knows spit about studio rents. He keeps repeating how ridiculous the rental fee the production company pays but I'm willing to bet he hasn't been INSIDE the facility.
I think Burn Notice has been great PR for all of Miami. The city would not have the money to truly build a park if they had not been able to set aside the rent the show paid over the years. Fifteen thousand local jobs were created in five years. That information comes directly from the State of Florida Film Incentive Office and they verified the information. Many local Grove vendors and neighbors benefited and if this park master plan (I am not quite sure what the master plan is, honestly. I did see the Mayor on television stating it was some sort of edict, though) actually goes through, perhaps some people will feel vindicated.
I just feel the aggressive tone of delight in running an industry out of our little burg is sad. The whole city is in such a deep deficit, I would rather see the park put on hold, let the show stay and use their rent to supplement police and firefighters. They need our support and the Burn Notice rent, although a drop in the bucket for the deficit, could really do some good. Last, and I apologize for being ignorant, but how can a park be built in good conscience while we are in such a deficit?
Please correct me if I am wrong, but it appears the former Dinner Key Auditorium now the Coconut Grove Convention Center was built in 1948.
I am unsure as to how old the "Master Plan" is but it seems that after decades of standing, it will not upset the entire Grove ecosystem to allow the building to stand one more year.
I so agree with the poster asking that when Burn Notice leaves, how long is an empty boarded up building going to stand? I do know that the security company for the show doubled nighttime security as they had issues with homeless people trying to get inside to sleep last winter. One of my employees worked during the weekends for the security company. If the building doesn't come down right away, will the city also provide security until demolition? I'd like to get more information as it does seem the show is moving out. If anyone has a link where I might get better informed, please would you post. I will also attend the next commission meeting and see if I can get a chance to ask.
Speaking of beautiful bay views, I remember when the hangar housing Fresh Market was being readied and the sheeting was removed from the entire building giving a clear view to the bay. I was amazed at the openness of the view and stood there thinking, wow, too bad all this stuff is blocking that view. And that was just a small sliver of a view. Anybody else remember that?
I'm quite sure Carlos will be vindicated when the Expo finally comes down ... it's going to be amazing."
I'm glad a few people here at least get the point I've been trying to make.. for years. I'm sure the majority of silent Grove residents and visitors share the same sentiment about this topic..
It's not about anyone being "vindicated", though. I'm lucky enough to live at a high enough place where I enjoy some rare, great bayside water views. It's about the vast majority of the people who drive by, walk by, bike by, or live here. It's about the Tourism Industry.
What do you think would bring more Tourism? A freaking TV show or a much better WaterFront with very rare Bayside Views.. THAT's what people and tourists like, boats, sunsets, and all that. Not some ugly piece of dead concrete blocking the views.
I certainly remember the views before the Fresh Market, I happen to live right across the street, as witnessed the construction from the balcony. As much as we enjoy and like this market, it should not have been built there, either.
CI
"I'm quite sure Carlos will be vindicated as well, I just hope they have great sidewalks for someone to push his wheelchair through the park forty years from now when it is finally built."
Retarded and insulting comments like that can only come from cowardly, disrespectful"anonymous" punks.
That project will probably be finished in a few years, 10 years at the most. By then, I will still be doing triathlons while lethargic, older people like you will probably have some health issues.
CI
Uhh... Anonymous at 9:46...
SPOILER ALERT?
Ooops! Sorry Jady.
Did not mean to spoil -- it was from week prior.
Note to self; not everyone catches up on the dvr as quickly as we do
Again - apologies.
" Anonymous said...
I believe this Carlos poster must be a city commissioner, as he definitely knows spit about studio rents. He keeps repeating how ridiculous the rental fee the production company pays but I'm willing to bet he hasn't been INSIDE the facility"
Wrong on both counts, anonymous "dude". I do attend certain City Hall meeting and know a few people there, some I agree with more than others. that's it.
And yes, I've been inside that "facility" numerous times for various expos, before it was given to BN. A week ago I tried to get in, and they sent me away. It's off limits.
Think before you speak, and let's stick to the topic at hand, not the bloggers, Sir.
CI
Sorry to jump in, but now this is just silly. Oh for God's sake, of course it is off limits. Again, very little knowledge of studios and security policies especially in these crazy times. Unless you work at a studio, like many business not dealing directly with the public, you will be turned away. And I believe the topic of the article is "Is Burn Notice staying at Coconut Grove?" Why can't people debate the pros and cons of this? Respectfully, a poster stated he felt the production was getting a ridiculous deal. Others disagreed. When you post, you cannot lay down the rules of engagement. That is what a moderator is for, if required. Your opinion is just that, your opinion. As are all the others. If anyone throws out an opinion, please expect others to respond.
"Think before you speak, and let's stick to the topic at hand, not the bloggers, Sir."
Ha. Let's do. Topic is Is Burn Notice staying in Coconut Grove?
"I'm done with the subject." Carlos
Wow I think you need to move to key Biscayne. Plenty of water views and you can ride your bike!
Anon 9:40pm
No worries mate!
I'm something that is more rare in Miami than a good cup of American coffee or good BBQ. I'm an old native Grovite. Born and bred. We're used to banging our head against walls for lost causes. ;)
I like arguing with people like him. He's only moved here recently and while being being selfish and self-centered at least he's completely ignorant of local history. His comments are full of personal opinions presented as fact and what few facts he try's to present get shot down within a few posts.
So far what we really know about him is he loves to quote The Master Plan (hallowed be thy name and purpose) and that he has lived in the Grove for a whopping eight years and wants a historic landmark torn down because it messes up the clean lines of the view from his penthouse apartment on Bayshore.
As long as his complete ignorence of Miami history keeps letting him make statements like
"An improved WATER front (virtually non-existent now) many more tourists, visitors and ultimately business would be attracted. How many Hollywood shows does Brickell or South Beach or Key Biscayne harbor."
As long as he makes ignorent statement like this I can rip him to shreds in the eyes of any long time Grove residents. See, he's not stupid or purposely obtuse, he's just ignorent and selfish.
How many shows do those places harbor?
First off, curious choice of words. "Harbor? One harbors a criminal not a tv show.
Second, my concern is not so much the tv show but the building and it's historic value but I'll take up the gauntlet. :)
Carlos asks about whether Brickell, South Beach or Key Biscayne has a local tv production and I think the implied question is do we need a tv show to maintain the Groves popularity. The answer is a resounding "No!". We don't.
But if Carlos were not ignorent of Miami history he would know what the phrase "To the moon, Alice!" did for Miami Beach. He would know what the words The Real World did for South Beach. He would know what a show with some dude named Ranger Ric did for Key Biscayne. How about movies? Do Createure from the Black Lagoon, Wild Things, or Thunderball ring a bell? All free promo for Miami. All filmed in Virginia Key. If he googled Ivan Tors Studio he might learn what good the film industry does for Miami. Or google Bayshore Studios. Some neat Grove history there. ;)
Brickell? Well, ya got me there. Though I don't think Brickell counts as a city. Well there is Tobacco Road where Capone used to hang out and was the center of the Miami blues and indie scene for.. well, forever. I have a lot of good memories playing there. Too bad that's on it's way out too. :(
Carlos, Im still waiting for your citations on the claim that tearing down the Expo and keeping to The Master Plan (hallowed be thy name and purpose) will bring more tourists and business.
The only reason I ask is because after living here all these years I'm reeeeally sceptical about that kind of claim. You have only been here a couple years so you are ignorent of the history of that particular phrase. Oldtimers here in the Grove might be familiar with these old hit numbers
Mayfair will bring more tourists and business to the Grove.
Cocowalk will bring more tourists and business to the Grove
Planet Hollywood will bring more tourists and business to the Grove
Hooters will bring more tourist and business to the Grove
Ritz Carlton will bring more tourists and business to the Grove
Sonesta will bring more tourists and business to the Grove
And here's one you're sure to appreciate Carlos
Tear down the pavilion sand baseball field and plant mangroves to block the ugly harbor, that will bring tourists and business to the Grove.
Thanks to all for your compliments and special thanks to the Grapevine who asks us to keep our comments short which I seem incapable of.
I'm off to Goombay. Y'all have better left some conch fritters for me. ;)
Post whatever you want. It's good to stay close to the original article topic, but opinions make the world go 'round. As long as no one threatens another or is abusive, a single poster cannot deem what can be written here. If you don't agree with a post, move on. Burn Notice topic for me is easy. The CGCC has been standing for decades. The demolition will be messy and expensive so let Hollywood pay into that for us with rent and let the neighborhood restaurants and stores get another year of their money as well. It's good to keep that economy flowing with money from a huge company. But it seems pretty easy to me, can't there just be a vote from the community to let them stay or not? Blogs are great, fun, interesting but voting is such a privilege, let's use it! Calling for a vote....any takers?
The convention center interior is MUCH different than back in the Expo days. I suspect the city stopped renting it for that reason due to wear and tear over the years and I don't blame them. Better to have a company in there maintaining it at their own expense until a decision is made. We've come out to assist in water roof repair quite a few times over the show run and paid good money for it. If the building doesn't come down right after they leave the city will get stuck with an indoor pool.
Yeah, there's a great idea. Put it to a vote of Grove residents. So 8% of you who are registered to vote can show up and re-elect Sarnoff.
This is off topic, but what happened to the Bayshore Studios? That would have been good for the Grove if that was still around.
..so you are ignorent of the history of that particular phrase. Oldtimers here in the Grove might be familiar with these old hit numbers"
I stopped reading after the 4 "ignorent" words, and various disrespectful, yet somewhat funny comments.
Blow that ugly place up, BN will pay for it next year and continue with the TV drama next season from a more appropriate location for all of the 75 fans with special interests in the Grove,,, they had a sweet deal anyway,,,
If we're lucky we'll get a rare glimpse of the water for a change.
CI
i was talking to some friends last night about this blog and topic and everybody said whats burn notice after i explained they said wow that show still around.and more than half said wow the grove still open lol wow thats sad.and it was over 100 people so pretty sad.most of us ended up in brikell which is further away than the grove.sorry just nothing fun in the grove anymore.and boy did we spend alot of money between all of us.lets stop worrying about a silly tv show that will soon leave anyways and start getting the dance clubs and fun stuff back.can you imagine a grove like it was 20 years ago.
Anonymous 4:03pm Correction 4.1% elected Sarnoff in a LANDSLIDE
I rest my case.
Carlos, ignorant basically means uninformed. As in ignorant of facts. I try to show you facts and tell you history and you don't want to hear anything that doesn't fit into your own little echo chamber.
Peace bro.,Cya
Anon 4:28
Boxxy is that you? We wondered where you went. :)
Ha! The last thing Burn Notice is going to do is PAY Sarnoff to blow up a building. Talk about ignorant (uniformed).
Carlos why were you trying to get into the CgCC anyway? Why would you want to just walk into someone's business that isn't a public storefront?
"Blow that ugly place up, BN will pay for it next year and continue with the TV drama next season from a more appropriate location for all of the 75 fans with special interests in the Grove,,, they had a sweet deal anyway,,, "
Yawnnnnnnnnnnnn.....sounds like a disgruntled actor to me.
But you wrote "ignerent" way too many times, grandpa.. it's never late too= read a book or something,, lol.
Blow up the freaking ugly "expo center" eye sore building already, greatest Finale episode for Burn Notice, pun intended. They'll be alright elsewhere, and the Grove will be more than ok too.
CI
Hey Carlos(t)
...Thought you were "done" with the subject.
done |dən|
past participle of do1.
verb informal
used as a nonstandard past tense of do
• informal used with a standard past tense verb to indicate absoluteness or completion: "I done told you to zipper your lips."
HAH. I couldn't have chosen a better example of a sentence. Thank you, MacBook Pro.
And Carlos...
DONE.
Capellini?
(Was that misspelled? Sorry. I must be iggerant.)
Oh, and Carlos? On that note...
"Finale" should not be capitalized. You have misused and overused commas. "OK" should either be fully capitalized or, in formal writing, completely written out as "okay."
Three consecutive commas are never acceptable.
More misplaced commas.
MUCH more misplaced capital letters, spaces, lack of spaces, random quotations, and more misplaced capitals.
In short, "Sir," perhaps you should take some red ink to your own poorly thought-out, yet incredibly grammatically incorrect ramblings before you go chastising others.
I said GOOD DAY!
-Obviously NOT Carlos, based on my grammar, punctuation, and capitalization.
Crazy ole dude, I did not even check my posts before sending them, in a hurry,, but I did not type "ignorent" 4 times, that's not a typo, ignorent Sir.
Dear Xavier who posted many letters ago. No one even referenced your explanation of the job of security and why the general public wasn't allowed to roam the facility at will. I thought it was very informative. I hope you get to read this because I really enjoyed your letter! My husband and I bid on a walk on part at Make A Wish auction and got to spend an approved day with the cast and crew. It was a lot of fun and I did notice how much you security fellows had to do all day long. Thank you for letting us all know how it works! I'd like to see the show stay another year.
Sincerely,
Robi Hines
Hi Carlos, :)
You referred to one of the above posters as "old dude. Just so you know that was not me. I have not posted since my post that ended with Cya
That being said...
Grandpa? Grandpa!!
Slanders sir: for the satirical rogue says here that old men have grey beards, that their faces are wrinkled, their eyes purging thick amber and plum-tree gum, and that they have plentiful lack of wit, together with most weak hams: all of which, sir, though I most powerfully and potently believe, yet I hold it not honesty to have it thus set down; for you yourself sir, should be as old as I am, if,like a crab,, you could go backwards.
Read a book you say? I've been known to pick up one or two on occasion. :)
That's probably why I hear these papery whispers welling up in my mind from out of the pages of the past when you or those like you parrot reasons and excuses you have heard others tell you so that you might further your own desires, damn any who disagree or who would show you certain errors in thinking or logic. When you argue aesthetics vs facts and history. When you say "the open views" or refer to The Master Plan ( genuflect towards City Hall) I hear those papery whispers from the past and hey say things to me like,
Reason obeys itself; ignorence submits to whatever is dictated to it.
-Thomas Paine
Beware false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorence.
-George Bernard Shaw
The evil that is in the world almost always comes from ignorence, and good intentions may do as much harm as malevolence if they lack understanding.
-Albert Camus
Thank you and those like you who are a consistent reminder of all that I have read and in particular of something written by some old dude who was the equivalent of the folks that write for the entertainment biz today. It is half way through one of my favorite speeches ever and begins, "What a piece of work is man".
I have to give you this though, you must truly have some little bit of Grove blood in you for truly, everybody's talking at you and you don't hear a word we're saying. Only the echoes in your mind.
Old Fart
Hmm... Interesting that you ignore my well-written and intelligent posts (that had valid points) and come back (seriously UN-DONE, apparently) to once again use commas in multiples, sentence fragments, and not reply to ONE of my critiques.
Red marker, indeed.
Miss GroveRat
Give it Baaaaack!!!! Give it Baaaaaaaaack!!!!!
Whoops!
Really? You're going to attack me on spelling and not address any of the points I made? That's .... expected, sadly enough. It's called "moving the goalposts"
Yeah, ignorant is one of those words I constantly misspell. I always screw up "guess"and "occasion"also I constantly make mistakes with vowels. Using misplaced e's instead of a's, a's instead of e's, etc I also will tend to write any word ending in "ism" with "isim". I think it's because I have a bit of a southern drawal and my spelling comes out phonetically. My bad.
I also overuse parenthesis and misplace apostrophe's.
It's why I don't bother people about their grammar or spelling as long as they are able to get their idea across.
There I've admitted to my humanity and ability to make mistakes.
Your turn. :)
Back to the subject.
No new. Fix old.
OF
Holy cow! Great stuff but Grapevine folks! Can you please open a new thread on the Burn Notice subject! I am also one of the ones interested in two posts that are so far back, they are ancient history. Most importantly, who is going to secure the CGCC after Burn Notice leaves in October? I am also super interested in how long the building will be vacant.
I don't believe a park is going to begin creation the second the production departs. The city is in too much debt right now, I think. Now that the film office is no longer in the other portion of the building, it will be truly empty. Is there any plan in place for security or boarding up?
Yes! Robi, I read Xavier's post! Sorry for not responding. Honestly I thought this thread was no longer about Burn Notice!
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