5 am bar closings will not help Coconut Grove
Steve, from the Blind Mind blog replied to my post about Mr. Moe's getting their 5 am bar license back (as opposed to the 3 am license). I also mentioned that I had a feeling that Villa Mayfair may be getting a 5 am license in the scheme of things. I did not say that I felt the Grove was back and hopping, all I did was state the fact about Mr. Moe's and my hunch about Villa Mayfair. Here is Steve's response, edited, for the whole thing, you can go here.
I hate to break it to ya, Grape, but the days of the Grove being popular for nightlife are numbered. It wouldn't matter if the City told every business they could be open until 5am. It's too late. Time to focus on something else. Moe's may have gotten their 5 am license back but when was the last time you went to that place?
To think that 5am closing is going to revitalize the Grove is just plain silly. Had it never been taken away, maybe things would be different. But change was made and people adapt to change. Adapting meant finding somewhere else to enjoy a late night if that is your thing.
The Grove was a happenin' spot for awhile but between the loss of the late nights and the development of South Miami, people have adapted and moved on. The main nightlife crowd for the Grove was always the college kids from UM.
I moved to the Grove 8 years ago because I really liked the laid back vibe and the abundance of vegetation amongst the streets surrounding Center Grove. There were some cool spots to hang out at, most notably Cafe Tu Tu Tango which I felt did the best job at capturing the spirit of the Grove -- the laid back lifestyle, friendliness, funky art, and casual fun of it. In fact, that's the first place I would take visitors from out of town to get a feel for my Miami neighborhood. Well, I watched as that space plummeted downhill in terms of the building (during its last CG Arts Festival there were parts of the wooden floor that you would sink into when you walked!!) and soon they were forced to vacate. Between rising real estate costs and the decline of visitors to the Grove (for multiple reasons, lots of which have to do with the progress of other neighborhoods like S. Miami, Brickell, and the DD/Wynwood area), plus a down economy, the Grove dwindled away.
In the past year or so, I think that there's been a little pickup of activity thanks to some nice events at Peacock Park, parades, etc. The momentum that these events provide only lasts for a few days and then it's back to the current situation of struggling businesses and many empty storefronts.
I actually saw a commercial for the Grove on TV last week. It said, "Why is the Grove so cool?" I laughed, not because the Grove isn't cool in it's own way, but because the ad was pretty cheesy. I think the main challenge is figuring out what makes the Grove DIFFERENT. Late night bars and clubs are a "me too" and, quite frankly, they don't really fit the neighborhood outside of what currently exists. What I like about the Grove is being outside, seeing the waterfront, clean streets. There's a few decent spots to eat - Jaguar, Le Bouchon, Sandbar (for tacos and fries and football). I think being part of the outdoors and the waterfront needs to be played up. There's this Waterfront Master Plan that is supposed to be a game changer to our waterfront on Biscayne Bay but all I know is that the developers and resident groups are still battling about what is to be done.
Regardless of what happens to the waterfront plan, nightlife is not the answer. There have been plenty of spots who have tried and failed - Burgundy Room, Central Beer Garden, Central Sushi, just to name a few of the more recent casualties. The new spot at the Mayfair [Villa Mayfair] that wants to do bottle service will likely be the next victim. Nightlife in terms of bars and clubs are square pegs and the Grove is a round hole. They just don't fit.
Steve, Coconut Grove
I hate to break it to ya, Grape, but the days of the Grove being popular for nightlife are numbered. It wouldn't matter if the City told every business they could be open until 5am. It's too late. Time to focus on something else. Moe's may have gotten their 5 am license back but when was the last time you went to that place?
To think that 5am closing is going to revitalize the Grove is just plain silly. Had it never been taken away, maybe things would be different. But change was made and people adapt to change. Adapting meant finding somewhere else to enjoy a late night if that is your thing.
The Grove was a happenin' spot for awhile but between the loss of the late nights and the development of South Miami, people have adapted and moved on. The main nightlife crowd for the Grove was always the college kids from UM.
I moved to the Grove 8 years ago because I really liked the laid back vibe and the abundance of vegetation amongst the streets surrounding Center Grove. There were some cool spots to hang out at, most notably Cafe Tu Tu Tango which I felt did the best job at capturing the spirit of the Grove -- the laid back lifestyle, friendliness, funky art, and casual fun of it. In fact, that's the first place I would take visitors from out of town to get a feel for my Miami neighborhood. Well, I watched as that space plummeted downhill in terms of the building (during its last CG Arts Festival there were parts of the wooden floor that you would sink into when you walked!!) and soon they were forced to vacate. Between rising real estate costs and the decline of visitors to the Grove (for multiple reasons, lots of which have to do with the progress of other neighborhoods like S. Miami, Brickell, and the DD/Wynwood area), plus a down economy, the Grove dwindled away.
In the past year or so, I think that there's been a little pickup of activity thanks to some nice events at Peacock Park, parades, etc. The momentum that these events provide only lasts for a few days and then it's back to the current situation of struggling businesses and many empty storefronts.
I actually saw a commercial for the Grove on TV last week. It said, "Why is the Grove so cool?" I laughed, not because the Grove isn't cool in it's own way, but because the ad was pretty cheesy. I think the main challenge is figuring out what makes the Grove DIFFERENT. Late night bars and clubs are a "me too" and, quite frankly, they don't really fit the neighborhood outside of what currently exists. What I like about the Grove is being outside, seeing the waterfront, clean streets. There's a few decent spots to eat - Jaguar, Le Bouchon, Sandbar (for tacos and fries and football). I think being part of the outdoors and the waterfront needs to be played up. There's this Waterfront Master Plan that is supposed to be a game changer to our waterfront on Biscayne Bay but all I know is that the developers and resident groups are still battling about what is to be done.
Regardless of what happens to the waterfront plan, nightlife is not the answer. There have been plenty of spots who have tried and failed - Burgundy Room, Central Beer Garden, Central Sushi, just to name a few of the more recent casualties. The new spot at the Mayfair [Villa Mayfair] that wants to do bottle service will likely be the next victim. Nightlife in terms of bars and clubs are square pegs and the Grove is a round hole. They just don't fit.
Steve, Coconut Grove
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The synergies in downtown Coconut Grove are encouraging. Last night it WAS hopping, so was the night before, could be the holidays kicking in, but I have not seen so much activity in the Grove for a while, at a point the Police closed Commodore Plaza due to crowds spilling onto the streets among cars. Traffic inside business districts is good, particularly in this economy. It is great to have 5am reinstated and more power to anyone who would want to get the next 5am and can handle it. There used to be four licenses, I think. Let people decide for themselves where to go and what to do, not a bunch of out of touch bureaucrats pretending to be working, most of them primarily want to guarantee their paycheck. Now is the time to free up more parking spaces, plan more parking for the crowds, and make it easy for EVERYONE to park, inexpensively, all restaurants in the area have prepaid for more parking, the people who get paid to do a job should start actually doing things in tandem with the businesses instead of pretending to work. In the neighboring city, to park at the municipal parking building is free after 11pm. In the Grove now there is serious hope as long as there is neighborliness and respect for people and businesses to go on with their lives without interference from the few. Next, get the Playhouse reopened; this should be an objective for 2012, it is not rocket science, without some serious work, next year could be a very difficult one and the Playhouse will undoubtedly be another major boost along with return of 5am.
Dunno what that guy's agenda is -- i.e. money interests or personal vendettas -- but you can bet he sure has one.
Places change and evolve. To me the Grove is still very cool, with stuff to do at night, restaurant choices, or shopping. And it still keeps it's unique character.
Been to Brickel, downtown and South beach, and Gables recently, they have some nice places, as do we.
CI
Money interests? Personal vendettas? Put down the crime novel, Nancy Drew. I feel bad for people like you who read an article with an honest opinion and cry "Conspiracy!"
I'm a New Yorker thats been loving the Grove since my first time there in he late 80's, I always loved the bars, restaurants, and clubs in the Grove!Always found parking and traffic to be the biggest reason my friends don't want to go when I come visit.
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