Mack Cycle's needs to mind their own business
Mack Cycle in South Miami has sent out the following letter to their customers. Since when is Mack Cycle, a business in South Miami, choosing the laws for the Grove? If they cared about the Grove, they would have a store in the Grove.
And if they are dictating when bars can open and close are they going to go after Brickell and downtown clubs that are also in the City of Miami and open to 5 am and even 7 am? And what about South Beach and other areas? I am sure their customers are from those areas, as well.
We will soon have three bike shops in the Grove when the new one opens at McDonald and Grand (there is also Revolution on Main Highway and SoFlo Skate Shop that sells and works on bikes further up Grand). And in the works is a bike rental place. So we'll actually have four locations.
Why do we even need Mack Cycle and why are they even in our business? Does Mack Cycle think bicyclists are going to avoid the Grove because of bar closing times? I would think that their customers would resent their meddling and and bullying tactics. I think they do because quite a number of them actually sent me the email that went out, and these customers are quite upset.
And of course, the letter sent out is peppered with lies. Not all PTA's, churches and schools even know what the issue is about, so I doubt they have weighed in on the issue and as for MADD, if you ask anyone if they would like to have their children hit by drunk drivers, they of course are going to respond frantically. So throwing in the PTA, schools and MADD is just inciting the issue and using scare tactics, which is pathetic. If you word the question in the right way, anyone would be against anything.
Officer Guell and Chief Timoney have both been hit by cars in the Grove on their bikes during the day. Should we maybe stop serving alcohol altogether? Perhaps Mack Cycle is trying to get all the Grove's customers to go to South Miami and drink all night? Then they can all drive home drunk after spending all their money in South Miami, while the Grove dies out.
This is what Mack Cycle is sending to their customers, again do they realize all of Miami (except the Grove, actually has 5 am and 7 am and 24 hour bar closings already?):
"Did you know that there is a bill pending in the City of Miami to extend bar openings to 5 am? That means drunk drivers on the road while you are training! You can help prevent this from happening and make the roads safer for all of us and other early risers. Please join MADD by copying this email and sending to Commissioner Marc Sarnoff of City of Miami."
Here is the letter:
Dear Commissioner Marc Sarnoff,
"On behalf of the hundreds of cyclists who ride the streets of Coconut Grove, I am writing to express my great concern that the City of Miami is considering extending the sale of alcohol by bars and restaurants in Coconut Grove till 5 am. One of the main reasons so many cyclists ride through the Grove is, quite simply, we feel safe. Quite a number of us have had close calls with drivers in other parts of the City and are grateful that the roads are safer in Coconut Grove. We fear that will change if you allow drinking to continue till 5 am.
Anyone leaving the bars at this time will be on the road at the very same time many of us are beginning our rides. This is unacceptable to us and we respectfully request that you consider the safety of citizens when making this important decision. Miami was recently named one of the un-friendliest cycling cities in the nations.
We applaud you decision to adopt the Bicycle Action Plan in an effort to change that. Mothers Against Drunk Driving, and nearly every local church and school PTA are united with us in this effort to keep the Coconut Grove Bar closures at 3 am. The cycling community of South Florida is following this issue very closely and we sincerely appreciate your support and commitment to keeping our roads safe. Please support keeping the Coconut Grove Bar closure at 3 am.
Thank you for standing by your principles."
And if they are dictating when bars can open and close are they going to go after Brickell and downtown clubs that are also in the City of Miami and open to 5 am and even 7 am? And what about South Beach and other areas? I am sure their customers are from those areas, as well.
We will soon have three bike shops in the Grove when the new one opens at McDonald and Grand (there is also Revolution on Main Highway and SoFlo Skate Shop that sells and works on bikes further up Grand). And in the works is a bike rental place. So we'll actually have four locations.
Why do we even need Mack Cycle and why are they even in our business? Does Mack Cycle think bicyclists are going to avoid the Grove because of bar closing times? I would think that their customers would resent their meddling and and bullying tactics. I think they do because quite a number of them actually sent me the email that went out, and these customers are quite upset.
And of course, the letter sent out is peppered with lies. Not all PTA's, churches and schools even know what the issue is about, so I doubt they have weighed in on the issue and as for MADD, if you ask anyone if they would like to have their children hit by drunk drivers, they of course are going to respond frantically. So throwing in the PTA, schools and MADD is just inciting the issue and using scare tactics, which is pathetic. If you word the question in the right way, anyone would be against anything.
Officer Guell and Chief Timoney have both been hit by cars in the Grove on their bikes during the day. Should we maybe stop serving alcohol altogether? Perhaps Mack Cycle is trying to get all the Grove's customers to go to South Miami and drink all night? Then they can all drive home drunk after spending all their money in South Miami, while the Grove dies out.
This is what Mack Cycle is sending to their customers, again do they realize all of Miami (except the Grove, actually has 5 am and 7 am and 24 hour bar closings already?):
"Did you know that there is a bill pending in the City of Miami to extend bar openings to 5 am? That means drunk drivers on the road while you are training! You can help prevent this from happening and make the roads safer for all of us and other early risers. Please join MADD by copying this email and sending to Commissioner Marc Sarnoff of City of Miami."
Here is the letter:
Dear Commissioner Marc Sarnoff,
"On behalf of the hundreds of cyclists who ride the streets of Coconut Grove, I am writing to express my great concern that the City of Miami is considering extending the sale of alcohol by bars and restaurants in Coconut Grove till 5 am. One of the main reasons so many cyclists ride through the Grove is, quite simply, we feel safe. Quite a number of us have had close calls with drivers in other parts of the City and are grateful that the roads are safer in Coconut Grove. We fear that will change if you allow drinking to continue till 5 am.
Anyone leaving the bars at this time will be on the road at the very same time many of us are beginning our rides. This is unacceptable to us and we respectfully request that you consider the safety of citizens when making this important decision. Miami was recently named one of the un-friendliest cycling cities in the nations.
We applaud you decision to adopt the Bicycle Action Plan in an effort to change that. Mothers Against Drunk Driving, and nearly every local church and school PTA are united with us in this effort to keep the Coconut Grove Bar closures at 3 am. The cycling community of South Florida is following this issue very closely and we sincerely appreciate your support and commitment to keeping our roads safe. Please support keeping the Coconut Grove Bar closure at 3 am.
Thank you for standing by your principles."
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59 Comments:
Mack Cycle has some nerve. Who do they think they are? The are not even in the city of miami.
It'd be a stretch for a *Grove* store to send a blast like this.
I'm with you in your righteous indignation about the propriety of the sender and possibly that the message was sent out en masse to 'suade customers; I doubt said customers have requested or even agreed to such contact.
I must say, though, that I commiserate with the message itself. I hadn't thought about the possible impact late (early?) bar closings might have on morning bikers. While we can't say there will be a definite correlation, it could present a possibly life threatening "scheduling" conflict.
These people are just plain retarded. As an avid early morning cyclist, living in the Grove for years, I can tell these morons that 5am closing are the least of our concerns. Actually we like to see some activity early on! These people obviously have some weird agenda. Bikers worry about the abominable state of our City, 3rd worst in the entire USA for the sport, Zero Bike lanes, Zero education for Car drivers and Cyclists as well. Lack of signs, deteriorating roads. These laughable fools at Mack Cycle have absolutely no clue as to what they are babling about. We go to Revolution Bicycle here for repairs after our bikes get messed up by the messed up roads, not by a couple drunks at 5am, as we've had for DECADES in the Grove until Papa Sarnoff recently dictated we have to go to bed, in certain areas, earlier. When will the non-sense stop? Carlos Iglesia.
There are more drunk drivers in the afternoon at happy hour time when thousands of bikers are out and lots of drunk drivers are out. More than at 5 am ever would have. Mack Cycle should be ashamed of themselves for spreading rumors and lies.
And what about the drunk drivers who now leave the Grove early, go to S.Beatch or Brickell, then drive back drunk as hell at 6am through the Grove? What about all the people who drive back here at 7am? THAT's when the Vast Majority of us hit the road on the bikes, or at Sunrise, not at 5am, Mack Cycle FOOLS. And what about those few party animals who hit Flanigans right here at Bird rd. for last calls? Papa Sarnoff allows that to be open until 5am, go figure.. I hope Colin Worth, Sarnoff, the Village Council, and the next Major read some of this. I'll copy them all just in case they do. Carlos
Let's look for a bike store in the Grove to support, while Grove boycotts Mac Cycle. Oh yes there is a bicycle store opening next to the new MetroPCS store on Grand Avenue across from McDonald Street (32 Avenue). BOYCOTT MAC CYCLE and its beloved Sarnoff.
If it is indeed a spin, it's a brilliantly deplorable one. Were there even one incident (God forbid), it ought to sully their name and not further their cause. Whatever *that* might be.
I am very disturbed by this and Mack Cycle's actions.
This is so transparent. The Sarnoff spin machine has gotten to them with their scare tactics, as they have done with at least one local school's PTA. It's ridiculous the length they will go to in order to avoid admitting that the 3 am closing rule was a mistake that has failed to achieve its stated goal of protecting us from drunk drivers (although it may put Grovites at risk of being drunk drivers who would otherwise walk) and instead has eviscerated our business district.
Don't blame Mack Cycle except for being naive and stupid. It's ironic that they are in South Miami where the nightlife is enabling their business district to thrive.
I'm a Grove business owner that has purchased 4 bicycles from Mack Cycle. I'm literally getting into my car and driving down there to give those gullable assh@#%$ a piece of my mind! While they're stupid enough to listen to Commissioner Sarnoff's office trying to convince them that the 5AM issue would slaughter all their clientel, they are still hypocrites!!!
They have 7 establishments 200 yards away that sell alcohol til 5AM!
Please make no mistake about it, "The great communicator", while purchasing some spandex riding gear at Mack Cycle decided to "spread some fear" to all the bike shops JUST ABOUT THE GROVE! Interestingly enough Mack Cycle doesn't give a sh#@ about what's going on in their own back yard!!
I will do my very best to make sure all of Coconut Grove boycotts
Mack cycle, (and Sarnoff)
Sarnoff, STOP MANUFACTURING FEAR! We know what you're doing and it ain't gunna fly.
Eviscerated business district? So the French restaurant that had been there for years closed because other bars closed early?
Does two hours really make a difference? I am sure it does for the person that has to listen to the music pounding for two extra hours but does it really make that huge a difference?
Is there clear data that correlates the early closure with failed businesses that can not also be attributed to a failed economy and oversaturation of bars and restaurants in a small enclave?
Why isn't anyone proposing new businesses to come in that earn money during the day? Or suggest store owners open their doors earlier since I have walked through the ghost town midday and shops were shut. The Grove costs too much and offers too little. Liquor can not be the only solution to the failed businesses.
Anon @12;07.
Who are you to tell us when to go to bed? Are you mentally impaired? Why is this a Papa Sarnoff NEW rule only here, center Grove? Those who want to get wasted will, next door. Who said this would be a 100% cure for this economic downturn, Einstein? These retrograde, puritan non-sense opinions are so damn illogical, to be nice. CI
Anon 12:07 - the grove does terrible daytime business. There are no offices nearby, thus no lunch crowd. The very wealthy looking to blow money randomly end up at merrick park to do so.
The grove's business success has always, always, always, always, been tied to its nightlife. The grove has always been after work and evening, and yes, late, very late into the evening.
Wake up and smell the jagermeister.
I have a solution to those boycotting..and rightfully so... Sarnoff's new errand boys at Mack Cycle- give your business to Danny at Revolutions who actually works, lives and pays taxes in the Grove. He doesn't care when I go to bed or when I choose to have a beer..he just cares about giving quality service and products to those who enjoy riding bikes without the politics. He leaves the lies and propaganda that "Marcs Minnion's" (as they are called throughout the Grove)choose to spread like the dead bodies from all the 5am drunk drivers plowing through bus loades of kids out front of every doorstep and adorable round-a-bout in the grove. Cut me a break...No where else in this liars district closes at 5am. Hey Mack cycles...there are NO other people riding bikes anywhere else in Sarnoff's district other than the grove at 5am?? Are you protesting 5am all over Marc's district where your customers also cycle?? Are you publically protesting Flannigans that is in the Grove and serving alcohol till 5am?? You mind drunk driving and the vehicular manslaughter that takes place in the Grove, but you'll let it slide in the rest of Marc's district? That is your position? You just lost a family of customers. Look in the mirror to see what a hypocrite looks like guys... shamefull stuff here Marc
Chris
We forget there is a bike shop on Main Highway- Revolution Bike Shop. We need to patronize our own businesses. Who needs Mack Cycle..
Apparently Grape didn't like my first tirade, wherein I gave out the email address of Mack's Cycles and Meddling, so I'll simply mention that you can find it by just googling the shop or going to their site's contact link.
More eloquently the first time around, I mentioned that certainly this is a case of marc or his minions seeking out support. i assume, without knowledge, that DAnny who owns revolutions (great shop and free air) would have told him to hit the bricks.
The propaganda machine rolls on. We have to make those who fall into it, regret doing so, and regret ever listening to Sarnoff.
Everyone knows Revolution bike shop. across barracuda. Danny there should give me discounts for the free publicity. Great place. CI
I may not have seen the last one, it may not have come through. Feel free to give the email address, I wanted to do that myself.
I go to Revolution. Why would I want to go to a bike shop I can't ride my bike to?
Here's what I sent:
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: that guy
Date: Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:15 PM
Subject: Coconut Grove/ your propaganda
To: info@mackcycleandfitness.com
Dear proprietors of Mack Cycle:
I write in regard to your transparent collusion with Marc Sarnoff of Coconut Grove regarding the laws of a city which you do not operate in.
First and foremost, you are ill-informed or a liar. Currently, and for all time, the liquor laws in the city of Miami allow for 5am, 7am and 24 hour liquor license. Many such businesses currently operate in Miami. However, about 2 years ago, Marc Sarnoff underhandedly pushed through an amendment to those laws, which only affected Special District 2 (coconut grove proper, but only from McDonald to aviation and the bay to bird road). that limited all licenses to 3am.
The effect of that law has been a complete disaster. The grove, once thriving has had more bar and restaurant closings in the last 2 years than at any time in it's existence. We are no pushing for equal footing 5am, with the remainder of the city, and your municipality South Miami, which need I remind you allows booze to flow till 5am.
Limiting drinking in bars in one neighborhood does not limit drunk driving. You do that by enforcing drunk driving laws.
You are fools for getting involved in something you clearly know nothing about. I will ensure that every person I know or meet is told to boycott your store. Stop meddling in the affairs of other cities, and stop being hypocritical. The bars by your shop are open till 5 and the area is thriving while we're dying.
Good day to you sir or madam.
Here's what I sent, note their address in the "to:" line.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: that guy
Date: Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:15 PM
Subject: Coconut Grove/ your propaganda
To: info@mackcycleandfitness.com
Dear proprietors of Mack Cycle:
I write in regard to your transparent collusion with Marc Sarnoff of Coconut Grove regarding the laws of a city which you do not operate in.
First and foremost, you are ill-informed or a liar. Currently, and for all time, the liquor laws in the city of Miami allow for 5am, 7am and 24 hour liquor license. Many such businesses currently operate in Miami. However, about 2 years ago, Marc Sarnoff underhandedly pushed through an amendment to those laws, which only affected Special District 2 (coconut grove proper, but only from McDonald to aviation and the bay to bird road). that limited all licenses to 3am.
The effect of that law has been a complete disaster. The grove, once thriving has had more bar and restaurant closings in the last 2 years than at any time in it's existence. We are no pushing for equal footing 5am, with the remainder of the city, and your municipality South Miami, which need I remind you allows booze to flow till 5am.
Limiting drinking in bars in one neighborhood does not limit drunk driving. You do that by enforcing drunk driving laws.
You are fools for getting involved in something you clearly know nothing about. I will ensure that every person I know or meet is told to boycott your store. Stop meddling in the affairs of other cities, and stop being hypocritical. The bars by your shop are open till 5 and the area is thriving while we're dying.
Good day to you sir or madam.
Way to go, that guy. Copy nelson and sarnoff, see if they reply.. ci
OK Grape, before we send out a lynch mob or start a boycott.. I just stopped by Mack Cycle and had a thirty minute conversation. I spoke with the owner Mary Jane and their GM Andre, both of whom I've know since I started buying bicycles from them years ago. They told me in no uncertain terms that they were asked by a member of Commissioner Sarnoff's staff to send out that bullS#@% blast to all of their customers and contacts. They were under the impression that this was a MADD(mothers againt drunk driving)initiative and were purposely misled. If any person wanted to take a survey of 10,000 people and ask them "are you in favor of drinking and driving"? %100 would obviosly say no. What they WERE supprised to here is that Commissioner Sarnoff allows the sale of alcohol till 5AM EVERYWHERE ELSE IN HIS DISTRICT! Mary Brickell, Midtown, Downtown, Design district, 11Th street, etc. While they may have been naive, they stated that they're going to ask the commissioner the $64,000 question... Why is he not consistant with this unfair restriction in virtually everywhere else in his district??????? They told me that they have MANY customers that live on Brickell, downtown etc... They said that if he didn't apply the very same restrictions that he places on the Grove to the rest of his district that it would be hypocritical in their eyes. I know that Mack Cycle's heart is in the right place and that they were "seduced" by the tactics of Marc.
At some point Mark you're going to have to answer that question in front of the whole world...
and it's gunna be sooner than later.
John El-Masry
Owner Mr. Moe's
I agree Boycott Mack Cycle. That Guy and CI are right on. Obviously the time is now or the next election to get rid of Sarnoff and Bozo.
Bars should close at 5am. The Grove would benefit from having places open late. This would discourage driving drunk. Grove people are locals. If there is something to do, they won't leave. AS FOR PEOPLE TRAINING: I HAVE HAD MORE PROBLEMS WITH ROADIES AND THEIR TRAINING THAN I HAVE WITH DRUNKARDS. I RIDE MY MOTORCYCLE EVERY SUNDAY AND PACKS OF ROADIES ARE STRETCHED ACROSS THE ROAD, CROSSING THE DOUBLE YELLOW ON OLD CUTLER. THE WAY THEY RIDE, A SOBER PERSON DRIVING COULD HIT THEM JUST AS EASILY!! BAR HOURS AREN'T THE ISSUE!!
Great Job, John. Does Papa sarnoff ever read this?
This is so distasteful that an elected official would go around recruiting schools and business to hurt his own tax base. There is nothing that Marc wouldn't do to achieve his goal of turning the Grove into Naples, Florida
Greetings All,
Danny at Revolution is a true gem in the grove. I have worked next to him at Celestial Treasures for the last three years. In that time I cannot count the number of times he has helped others, with their bikes, free air, the loaning of tools, and quality service. I once saw him help chase after a person that stole a bike from in front of my store(the bike was successfully recovered). Please help support the good people in this community by giving your business to the locals, and people like Danny at Revolution.
Peace,
Joe Richardson
Manager Celestial Treasures
The sad part of all of this is that Marc Sarnoff has done nothing to make Coconut Grove a true cyclist zone. and walking around in cyclist spandex is not showing support, just his life style choice. None the less and again, he will stoop to no end to manipulate facts, lies, change the grove to his own personal utopia.
Oh, and by the way Mark, I will no longer hide behind the cloak of anonymity. From this point on you will know who I am whenever I have something to say. I'm not saying anything on this blog that I wouldn't say directly to your face. I am not afraid of you and never have been. I've been trying to go through the conventional channels to remedy the ass pounding I took from you since June 30Th, 2007 when this unfair ordinance went into effect and you've been blocking me at every turn.
My law suit with the city is about to hit your desk and I'm quite sure you've already started to grease some wheels trying to get all the right people to see things your way.
I want you to know that I too will campaign against YOUR interests with the same enthusiasm that you've had with me.
One thing I have learned from you Marc is; It's about hearts & minds.
John El-Masry
Dear disgruntled people of the City of Miami,
Mack Cycle has been part of the cycling community in Miami for more than 50 years. Not only this but the letter is posted there for you to read! This letter is simply a plea to keep people safe on the roads on where many cyclists ride. Even small changes such as bar closing times can make a diffrence in the safety of all of us on the road, not just cyclists. Mack Cycle may not be in the Grove, but that makes no difference! People who do use Mack Cycle as their pro shop DO ride through the grove every day. Despite this if a bike store in Oregon promoted bicycle safety for their cycling community I would praise the effort then too! You all have a great deal of anger, and as a cyclist in Miami I am disturbed to see other cyclists bashing this. It is for all of us. It is a sad day when there is so much wrath and anger towards saving lives. So all of you angry people, ride safe and may you never be hit by a drunk driver.
Please be thoughtful of others. No one is exempt from being a victim.
- Long Time Miami Cyclist
Plenty of cities in the US close their bars at 5am. I don't hear cyclists in New York City complaining. We will not turn Miami into suburban Ohio where bars DO close at 2am. Cyclists in Miami need to do a little research and studying of basic traffic laws before they try to change the city to suit the needs of Cyclists who have no concept of their OWN safety, much less anyone else's. And here is new for you.DRUNK DRIVERS WILL BE OUT AND DRUNK NO MATTER WHAT.
AND - The Grove is a miniature city. It is not a cycling pass through. There are many busy intersections at all times of the day. Not the best place to chose as your battleground anyway.
We need to support our village and the businesses that make Coconut Grove such a wonderful place to live and work.
In all of my life I have never seen our village look so tired or so empty.
We need a revitalization plan for our village and allow our restaurants to be competitve with other entertainment districts.
Unfortunately there is a lot of politics being played out at many different levels. Some people are more worried about me than about we!
I suggest you let your voice be heard on Tuesday on what direction you want our village to go in.
Long Time, you may be more likely to be hit by a drunk Grovite coming home down South Bayshore from Brickell after the 5 am closing there than by the same Grovite who walked to a Grove establishment and walked home after. The point is, the 3 am closing law has done nothing other than to create a perception that the Grove is dead, and to drive away a significant percentage of the people who used to go out in the Grove, including locals who can walk. These people go to South Miami, Brickell and South Beach now.
No one wants to see bikers or children mowed down by drunk drivers, but this law has no impact on that. If there were a true desire to protect people from drunk drivers, then there would be a county-wide ordinance, not one that affects a teeny little piece of Coconut Grove.
I've already conceded that 5:AM is ok to sell alcohol in the Grove. If it helps the merchants, that's good.
The letter from Mack Cycle is no big deal.
If they are sending letters to their customers, then our merchants should send letters also and let everybody know how they feel.
At the end of this e blast that Marc penned for Mack Cycles it says:
"thank you for standing by your principles"
hmmmm... If the man had principles he'd have stopped every business in his district from turning loose all these drunks on the unsuspecting public. There's schools downtown, did Mark visit those PTA's to warn them? Of course not, He doesn't reside there.
I am so disappointed with these nasty posts - from my neighbors no less. It's petty and immature.
Stop venting in a blog, go to the source, confront the problem and deal with it like adults.
Someone posted above that there are no offices in the Grove therefore the lunch crowd is small and no need for shops to open. I've worked in the Grove for seven years. There are plenty of people that work here.
And the Grove is most certainly a cycling town. Anyone who thinks otherwise should visit Tigertail Avenue on a Sunday.
I might be remembering wrong, but wasn't Mr. Moe's the only restaurant to not participate in Mango Strut last year?
Good idea Tony, and I appreciate that you remained open minded.
That said, I think that the majority see this pretty clearly, which is why marc is running his campaign of lies and fear. Most people can see that, most people come away from a conversation with Sarnoff feeling like they need some purell. Most see through tactics of lies an fear.
The poll on the 'vine was pretty conclusive, closin at well over 90% in favor I believe.
Let me ask this, why are the commissioners afraid to put this on the ballot as a referendum?
Why won't the other commissioners do anything? are they afraid of Marc?
PS. congrats John, I'm glad you stepped to the plate someone had to, and you are truly doing a service to your community.
"And the Grove is most certainly a cycling town. Anyone who thinks otherwise should visit Tigertail Avenue on a Sunday."
some of you Anons hardly know what you are talking about. And what do you know about our long-time efforts to improve things directly with the officials on these matters? Just be quiet, in Tiger Tail. Be sure not to hit any peacocks. South Bayshore, Circle, Main Hwy is where it's at. Get on a Real Bike one day and then we'll talk. CI
I am extremely proud of John El-Masry, finally legal action. It what Sarnoff and crew deserve. I think all the Grove Bars and restaurants should join in the lawsuit. Great reporting as usual Grape.
This community is fired up!
Man, what would it be like if the locals were this enthusiastic about reducing poverty and crime? .... Imagine.
arrrggg. Damn the "officials" or so called "representitatives of ours. Get your bike fixed at Revolution. CI
Or fix your motorcycle in front of REVOLUTION with Danny's tools!!
Tony:
Now is the time to get everyone on board to defect from city of Miami and become the City of Coconut Grove. Everyone is fired up and it may work now.
Tony, I couldn't agree more...
We may be in a position where we can put some pressure on the powers that be to possible hear out a new request for the Grove to control it's own destiny...
They'll be kicking and screaming,
but they're doing that anyway.
Still waiting for your replies, Mack Cycle dudettes, I need names and numbers. CI
Just FYI, no reply from Mack cycles and meddling.
I realize that they got taken in by the grove's con artist... I mean commissioner, but we must continue to be vigilant against even those just dumb enough to be used as tools of the evil empire.
Anyone who would take those steps without thinking for themselves, checkin the facts independently, and thinking it through, deserves the ire thereby created.
Well said THAT GUY!!!
Give Mack Cycle a break. They've been a good solid local (even if not directly in the Grove) business for years and have supported art shows, walks, etc. with advertising $.
From what it seems like above, they were misled and I'm sure the letter was done with good intentions.
And simply because they're not physically not in the Grove doesn't mean they don't have an interest there, especially when so many of their customers ride in the Grove on a regular basis. Do we really want to be so separatist that we think others don't have concerns for what happens here? Lets secede and put up a wall.
Ironically I was hit twice on my bike both times in the Grove in the middle of the day. The drivers were not drunk they were distracted. That is the danger to bikers. People are looking out for other traffic not pedestrians or bikers. That is the danger, not drunks in the middle of the night and most likely less distracted at 5 a.m. with little to no traffic.
No one needs to be getting drunk after 3:00 am.
Drinkers should go home and get some sleep.
I was hit twice on my bike both times in the Grove in the middle of the day. The drivers were not drunk they were distracted. That is the danger to bikers. People are looking out for other traffic not pedestrians or bikers. That is the danger, not drunks in the middle of the night and most likely less distracted at 5 a.m. with little to no traffic."
Exactly.
Car Drivers AND Bikers need to be educated on how to Coexist. Thre are rules pout there, use lights, ride in singler lanes, use the correct hand signs. Etc. Etc. We all get nailed by a car sooner or later, just be sure to minimize the chances and have a good insurance policy until the Politicians DO SOMETHING about the the 3rd worst City for Biking in the entire USA. CI
No one needs to be getting drunk after 3:00 am.
Drinkers should go home and get some sleep.
October 30, 2009 7:41 PM
Classic STUPIDIDY from an 80 year old anonymous poster. Move away, dude. You have absolutely no idea as to what you are talking about. Study History, old man. And Get Sarnoff outta here too, I hear they close stuff at Coral gables at 3am. Let people do what they do, as they've always DONE here, legally, whenever they chose. Entiende? Capicce? Comprende? Vous avez bien compris? CI
The grove is not a true cyclist community. Roads have not been modified with bike paths and tiger tail is just another road. Showing up for photo ops wearing spandex isn't support or creating awareness. And you angry bloggers as someone mentioned, keep the fight going. How about we all meet at Mr Moe's on wednesday to support john
Way to step up John El Masry, I am sure Sarnoff has cost you thousands over the years with the sudden change the rules during the game 3am closing. Not to mention all the jobs he has cost struggling families in this of all economies due to your and the other "clubs" that depended on that late night crowd. I went to Moe's a lot after I was done work at 3:30 am along with hundreds of others who don't need Marc to be our fathers to insist on a bedtime. It must bring the question to mind, and the mind of all the clubs Marc shut down.. why does Flaniggans get a pass on this B.S crusade of his ? oh ... and THE REST OF THIS GUYS DISTRICT ?? All you need to know about Marc is he had a fund raiser at one of El Masry's places which I attended, and then a few months later closed MR Moes down at 3am..It must have slipped Marc's mind to tell El Masry and the people who depend on their salaries at Moe's and the customers like me who went to Moe's after work...to say, oh by the way, thanks for the fund raiser..but get ready to wear tight spandex just like me!!! I do not know El Masry personally, but logic dictates that someone lied bigtime..and I know it couldn't have been El Masry...you don't throw a fundraiser for a "man" who is about to cut your revenue by 30%. If its Aspen you want Marc, move there..there are hundreds of Groveites that will help you pack..and while your putting round abouts in front of your house, and planting new trees in front of your house...the Grove is dying. If you hate bars and restaurants so much, why the heck do you live in the Grove?????
Chris
The grove is not a true cyclist community. Roads have not been modified with bike paths and tiger tail is just another road. Showing up for photo ops wearing spandex isn't support or creating awareness. And you angry bloggers as someone mentioned, keep the fight going. How about we all meet at Mr Moe's on wednesday to support john
October 31, 2009 12:17 AM
The Grove is simply the 3rd Worst place in the entire USA to hop on a bike.Certified. Sarnoff and Cement Manny make a complete FOOLS of themselves when they show up with their little fake bike attires. I bet they can't do 5 miles at over 10mph. Call the doctor. What time do we meet at Mr. Moes on Wednesday? Carlos
6 pm at Mr. Moe's. lets get the word out and make it the first of many rally calls. as you walk in, the code word should be, "We're for John" out loud. Next on the list, t-shirts. WV
hmm i was just pondering stopping by mac, as i just moved back in the grove and wanted to get a bike again, guess i'll go to bike tech
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