Let's talk about these horses dogs
I posted this photo on Facebook and mentioned how the big dogs were scaring people in The Bookstore. There were a lot of responses, so I thought I would post it here. I am not picking on The Bookstore, I just happened to catch this there, it's an issue all over town.
Now, I love animals, especially dogs, but do large dogs, or any dogs belong in a store, especially a place that sells food?
posted by Tom Falco at 1:00 PM
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They don't belong in stores or restaurants.
as long as the dogs are leashed and under control - I don't see why they shouldn't be there.
There are MANY people that aren't nearly as clean as dogs and are still allowed in restaurants
I have no problem with letting an individual shop owner decide as to how his/her store should be run. I am certain that national chains have regulations governing this matter and I am certain that cites and town have health regulations that cover animal's presence near food prep areas. In any other regard, let the owner decide what is permitted in an establishment.
If thats the guy I think it is, I once saw him walk past that French café across from greenstreet once. He wasn't paying attention, pushing a stroller and yapping on the phone. Meanwhile the male lift its leg and wee-wee-d on the back of one poor guys chair. He was so oblivious he didn't notice and just walked on while the poor guy in the chair turned around to find the source of the warm wet water on his back. This was outside mind you. In my opinion its not about whether its inside or out, its whether the owner has control of their pets.
The size or the type of animal is not the point. It is illegal to have ANY size or ANY type of animal unless it is a service animal inside any establishment that sells food.That includes mini dogs that people carry in bags!Your photo shows a clear violation of this that can get the book establishment in trouble. They can and should post a sign saying only service animals permitted.
I don't even take my little Boston Terrier inside a store and he's only 20 lbs. But in the outside restaurant, I don't see anything wrong as long as they are well behaved and under control. I think the same rule should apply with children too! LOL
I totally agree grape, many times I am at Greenstreet and I can not bare the smell of a dirty dog while I am trying to have breakfast. There's this big black hairy dog that is always in the bookstore on a metal chain that smells awful, I had to leave one time. I am truly a dog lover, but do not believe they should be allowed in places that sell food, and especial if they STINKY!!
I agree with Susana, there is nothing wrong with that, I mean they are not cougars. Also there are many restaurant operators who are not as clean as dogs.
I do not think there is any problem with allowing pets in stores or at outdoor resturants as long as they are leashed. Just because these dogs are large does not make them scary and the man is holding them on a short leash. I think it is great he is able to live in an area that he can take them out with him during the day to socalize and get some exercize.
Hey Grove Patty - Great that you are considerate of others.Thanks. You must be a tourist - definitely not a South Florida resident!
As long as the dogs are well behaved, who cares.
leave the children out of it. just because youre too old to deal with them doesnt mean they shouldnt be in cafes.
People - It really does not matter what you think. There are laws.Establishments serving food are required to follow the local municipalities regulations.Most Municipalities follow the FDA FOOD CODE banning animals.They must also adhere to the same regulations even if they are in an establishments controlled outdoor space. The exception is the new law that was passed int his year in Fl letting municipalities to legally amend this to letting animals be in an outside controlled dining area.The restaurants can legally apply for this, BUT there are so many regulations that restaurants MUST follow (or be fined, sued , etc ) that most elect NOT to opt for this. They "informally" allow pets outside, but it is illegal. No point arguing about this. Don't like the law - call your state representative. Don't believe me - Google the info.
I have a black lab, whom I love dearly. But, I do realize he is a dog. Dogs, no matter what size, don't belong everywhere. So many people impose their pets on situations that are meant for people. Some outdoor cafes and restaurants welcome well behaved dogs, but even then people need to be respectful of everyone's space. Watch the barking, yipping, peeing, sniffing of strangers, please. This, as much as some may argue, is not too much to ask. It's called civility. I also have a wonderful little boy; children should also be able to have fun, but show respect for others. Same for adults.
Amen, sister.
One word for people like this: Inconsiderate!
CLL
I guess I need my glasses corrected or to be checked for color-blindness. When I first saw that picture, I thought that neighbor wasn't wearing pants.
Let's forget about the laws that people so correctly point out do not allow non-service dogs in commercial establishments. I can give you one additional reason why dogs should not be permitted. I have a young son. Because I am a single parent, he is always with me. He, like a lot of small children, is scared to death of dogs. It's a stage and lots of children go through it, but it is very real.
When we go into an establishment and a horse-- sorry-- dog comes in, we must leave, lest my kid throw a fit, which others responding to this post object to more than smelly dogs.
Just keep all animals-- cats, dogs, elephants, kangaroos or whatever out of commercial establishments, and for once maybe follow the law.
Dogs do not belong in an indoor restaurant or store, period. CLL is right, its inconsiderate.
Well that is my concern, not the lack of cleanliness, but a big dog bit me once and I am scared of very large dogs now -- dogs I don't know. They look big here, but in person they were huge. You can actually see that there is not another person in the photo, everyone literally cleared away to the other side of the bookstore to avoid them. And a young girl was actually crying by the living room area because she was scared and her mother was trying to comfort her, meanwhile this selfish guy just went about his business.
Well that is my concern, not the lack of cleanliness, but a big dog bit me once and I am scared of very large dogs now -- dogs I don't know. They look big here, but in person they were huge. You can actually see that there is not another person in the photo, everyone literally cleared away to the other side of the bookstore to avoid them. And a young girl was actually crying by the living room area because she was scared and her mother was trying to comfort her, meanwhile this selfish guy just went about his business.
I agree, my dog is a friendly lab, but he's big and I realize he may scare people. I don't use him as a power play. People with pets must understand that not everyone loves your pet, large or small, nearly as much as the owner does. The yipping, sniffing and whatever you find so cute in your pet is not so wonderful to everyone else, even other pet owners. And I don't think any pet should be in an indoor establishment, especially one serving food.
The guy in the picture seems to be quite full of himself and his large dogs. He knows his dogs are big and they may intimidate people, he loves it. He's rude and inconsiderate.
The dogs may be very well behaved and considerate, it's the owner who isn't. From Grape's description, the owner didn't seem to be aware of anyone in the store other than himself.
Does this guy have a single Feather on the back of his head? Maybe he feels that his family was here way before we arrived? Next time he might bring in his horses....
as an owner of a big black dog in the grove, i make sure never to bring my dog inside stores or restaurants. I don't see a problem with dogs hanging out OUTSIDE with the owners in outdoor establishments if they are clean and not interfering w/others. Dogs are a big part of our community, we have 2 dog parks nearby, most parts of the city have none.
I think the bookstore needs to be clear about their dog policy. Look @ olav's place, he has a clear sign on his door, no dogs inside, nothing wrong with stating this clearly.
Dog owners need to be extra considerate of others. Especially picking up their poop, not let them sniff or slobber on anyone. And keeping them on a leash and away from others that do not wnat to be their dog.
Here we go again......more rules and regulations.
This is the reason why the Grove is dead and sucks!
Good work..keep it up and the entire Grove will be part of the past soon.
Anon. 9:06 - Yes, there are some rules in life. Some people can be very selfish, to the detriment of a community. Let everyone do whatever they want, whenever and wherever they want, and then see how sucky and dead the Grove becomes.
Yeah, the Grove will really be hurt because dogs shouldnt be allowed inside shops and restaurants just like 99.9% of the rest of the country...
The Grove is very dog friendly, so much so that nearly everyone here has a dog. Its great to have pets as long as you care for them. I walked out my front door today only to inhale the smell of fresh turd that blankets the entire neighborhood on a warm morning. Ive been known for picking up after my neighbors dogs when I see their dogs crap and then them decide not to pick it up. I deposit the excrement on their doorsteps. Seems to be effective.
Any dog at any time and for no reason at all can smell or sense some sensation and decide it's time to attack a baby being held or in a carriage, likewise for a moderately loud youth or any adult. In my opinion dogs are as stupid as their owners or equally as intelligent. I'm 66 and have never spent one dime in any establishment that allows dogs inside. My dogs have always waited for me outside any restaurant or whatever. I'm writing a book titled The Barking Dog Society of Coconut Grove. People who feel dogs have the same rights as humans----really!
I've seen many a dog eat fecal matter and constantly show extreme interest it animal urine cause it demonstrates territorial imperative. Many pet owners kiss their dogs and cats and statistics demonstrate their owners suffer much higher incident rates of breathing disorders/diseases. Where children are forced to live and play in yards where pets deficate and urinate all sorts of symptoms appear. I've always had dogs and cats, but they were rightfully treated as a lesser to any other human being and my pets all live a carefree and long life without ever receiving one shot or visit to the vet.
Like most issues of this nature, there's a small percentage of inconsiderate jerks that ruin things for everyone. (Welcome to Miami, I know....)
Most of the time I see pet owners as good responsible folks, and can totally understand them being permitted to sit at an outdoor cafe with their leashed, quiet, clean animal.
BUT...
A few months ago my wife nearly stepped on a fresh dog turd as we approached our table at Scotty's. This is completely unacceptable, and the fault of one bad person.
AND...
Navigating the obstacle course of dog leashes strung across the sidewalk at Le Petit Paris is ridiculous on a Sunday morning. Inconsiderate pet owners compound the problem of there being too many tables on what's supposed to be a public right-of-way.
SO...
Restaurant management needs to actively force responsibility on their pet-carrying patrons. One instance of a misbehaving pet could mean health code violations, fines, and lost business.
Pet owners need to be reminded that bringing animals into establishments is a privilege, not a right.
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NO, you should not be able to bring your dog into any place that thinks they can sell me food. The end.
People that think they can just take their dog anywhere make me sick. If we can ban smoking, why can't we ban dogs, which are worse smelling and far less sanitary than a cigarette.
People - a VERY simple solution. 1. YOU inform the management of the restaurant that they are violating the health code. Nothing will make an owner comply quicker that the possibility that their establishment will be on a public list of health violations AND can face the possibility of being shut down!Code Enforcement /health dept (those people you hate)should be called and notified that animals are in arestaurant.Very simple.Sometimes
rules and govt agencies CAN be beneficial !
Wow, for the "land of the free" we are all about banning things here in the US, aren't we. I lived in Europe for 8 years and dogs were allowed everywhere as long as they were well-behaved and controlled. It was never an issue and I thought it was wonderful. I think banning things that make you uncomfortable is passive-aggressive and if you have a personal problem with dogs, which I can understand, just simply communicate (notice the root word, related to COMMUNITY, living together and all getting along) with the owner of the dog and work something out where you both can be comfortable. Doesn't that make more sense than a blanket ban?
I don't think dogs the size of ponys should be allowed in stores. Thank you.
This is not about The Bookstore and I doubt The Bookstore is going to lose one customer over this post. In fact, many people who didn't know the Bookstore existed from outside the area, may notice it now.
It's about rude dog owners who own dogs the size of horses and who think they own the world. This dude does not belong in any sort of store with those dogs, I would venture to say not even PetsMart or is it PetSmart? Big dogs like that scare many people.
Grotesque, albeit somewhat domesticated Scooby Doo quadrupeds ought to be banned from the bookstore. They belong at Scotty's or Kennedy Park. CI
Dogs, mans best friend since BC. I loved my dogs. This picture proves these facts: This man picks up fecal matter with his hands. The leather leashes drags where other dogs have gone before picking up previous fecal and urine particles along the way to spread about the floor and books of this book store where some other person can enjoy the results.
And now this man, standing before the food counter will no doubt pass some money to be used as change to some other unsuspecting customer-----and this man will no doubt eat his purchases and/or pass them to his wife and children should they be so lucky. Psychology 101, most urban pet owners are disenfranchised lonely souls crying out for some degree of love and attention that only a dog can offer.
Yes, I was lonely once and had wonderful dogs and cats until I married a wonderful woman----good-by fur balls and hello lady. Plus my wife dances better than King, my German Shepard, and eats less.
Since we are in the banning subject, let's also prohibit, babies, they also make noises and poop anywhere and on top of that we have to deal with car size strawlers...
Natalia, also respectfully, the Grape did not invite critique, rather, it was our opinion, which you also availed yourself of. Would you want to handle the money he paid for his pastries and then handle you infant or child? Are you familiar with CDC guidelines for pets in public places and diseases contracted? Poor folks, mostly children have contracted serious diseases when living and playing in the same yard where cats and dogs relieved themselves.
I don't thinks some male adult, in a book store in Coconut Grove holding on to two valuable canines is some stupid, ignorant slouch, so the picture tells me that he could care less, likewise for any business entity who would allow this and thanks to the Grape we can form opinions about where to spend our dollars in the Grove. I do not allow my family to eat with dogs.
Anon 12:57 Dogs and cats relieve themselves whenever and wherever, I don't know where you came from, but here in the Grove babies do it in diapers and so far I haven't seen baby poop and diapers in the Grove. There are certain personalities that prefer dogs and cats over human babies or human companionship----which are you?
Megan and people - yeah look at what all the rational communicating - talking did in stopping all the wars that mankind never had on this planet! Everybody is always right and the other person is always wrong.It is called a civilized society ( rules etc )BECAUSE people usually think THEY are right others are wrong - be it religion (the crusades)dictators (Hitler) or the guy with 2 dogs. Did HE think about all the problems that could result with his animals in the store .NOPE! Why do we have fines when normal people parking in handicap parking spaces.It is OBVIOUS this is hurting someone else! Most people do not give a damn about others.
Anon 1:19
I am a pet lover and freedom lover, I am totally oposed to anything that has to do with destroying the Grove's casual bohemain life style.The baby coment is to make a point that what bothers you may not bother me and so on. The key words here are TOLERANCE and RESPECT.
This is a perfect examnple as to why the Grove is dead.
Will you people get it!! you are destroying the Grove with your intolerance. This is not a comunist country! Live and Let Live!!!
@Anon 1:28: "Be the change you wish to see in the world." I prefer to work out my differences with people by communicating. I have to say I'm very disappointed by the hatred and disgust being shown to animals and their owner by these comments. I thought the grove was a dog-loving community and have enjoyed living here with my two small dogs, but i am sadly proven wrong by these comments.
Anon 1:28 I agree with your premise that this picture just demonstrates one male holding two dogs in an environment where any normal sane person should know better, but could care less and if you march up the chain of events as you mentioned, i.e., a lack of communication at some basic level, like some jerk standing at some pastry counter, in crowded Coconut Grove, passing out money to be handled by other people. This is called being misanthropic/hatred of mankind. All from just this picture? Absolutely yes. For one moment, do you think such a person would be interested in an opinion about his animals? Do you think an establishment would be interested in denying service, and the money being exchanged---I think not. So, the best one can do in a civilized society is do business somewhere else. Personally, I really like dogs and cats and take the time to try and pet them all.
Anon: "Psychology 101, most urban pet owners are disenfranchised lonely souls crying out for some degree of love and attention that only a dog can offer."
That's a pretty sweeping generalization. My family have been "urban pet owners" for decades. I own two dogs myself, and don't suffer from this lonely souls syndrome you seem to be touting. Many of my friends from Blanche are perfectly normal people, with normal interpersonal relationships, normal jobs, etc. The fact we have dogs just happens to be something we have in common.
That being said, I, like megan, also lived in Europe (for 9 years). In Austria, you can bring your dogs everywhere but a supermarket. And people's dogs are generally well behaved. Most bad dog behavior is really bad owner behavior. It is far easier to train a dog than it is to train a human to be a good owner.
But we are not in Europe, and I respect people's opinion here that dogs don't belong in stores or restaurants. It's the law in many cases. I don't bring my dogs into stores here. If they are with me, I'll do drive through when I can to avoid bringing them in.
There just seems to be a breakdown in respect across the board.
Hey Megan-You of course don,t really think what proposed is going to happen ? Do they have stop signs in countries in Europe ? Do they have no smoking bans in many countries in Europe? Do they ban meat with HGH in Europe ? Yeah' lets have no laws/ regulations/etc..and we can all sit around yelling at each other who is right and who is wrong!
And Anon 1:19, "Dogs and cats relieve themselves whenever and wherever"
Again, another generalization. A well trained dog will relieve him or herself when they are allowed to. If my dogs are not in the dog park or my backyard, they pee when I allow them to pee. Too many people take the mentality that their dog is walking them (which is why you see them being pulled down the street), rather than the fact that YOU are walking the dog.
anon at 1:19 When will you get it - it's not a Grove problem - it's a people problem !! Can I introduce you to Megan (above). What happens whenthe next idiot says - MY RIGHT IS BETTER THAN YOUR RIGHT ? - will you respect and tolerate that - or just whip out your gun ? Live and let live ? That means to most people "I can do what I want !"
from anon at 2:16 - sorry I meant to address this to anon at 1:33
Wow. I think it's quite a jump to assume that because I want to be able to take my well-behaved, well-trained dog to restaurant that I am an anarchist who doesn't believe in stop signs. That's ridiculous. All I am saying is that we could avoid a lot of UNNECESSARY laws if we would all just communicate, and I'm saying it's possible because I have lived, and enjoyed living, in a country where that happened. I love the grove and think it would be a nice idea to try it here. Forgive me for thinking that I lived in a community where communication is possible.
Megan, this a is a lost cause.
When you are dealing with ignorance is just imposible....They complaint and don't understand as to why the Grove is dead.....
This is the reason why.....
This is why the Grove is dead? How about you bring two huge horse/dogs to Perricone's at Mary Bricell and two large horse/dogs to Carabbas or Marinos in South Miami and report back to us? Let us know their reponse when you enter both places.
Thanks anon 2:45, I still plan to "be the change I wish to see" and try to treat others with the tolerance and respect with which I would like to be treated.
Grape,
With all due respects, everyone is entittled to their oppinion, and of course so do you....However I wonder how long have you lived in the Grove? I moved to the Grove 17 years ago and selected to live here because it was different, care free with a very easy going European flavor. You new guys with all your rules and regulations have totally destroy everything.
Why don't you all move to Cuba where there is no freedom of expression and censorship is King.
Congratulations for destroying the Grove....GOOD JOB!
Since 1973. And since I was bitten by a large dog 10 years ago, I don't like them near me, especially places I am getting my lunch.
And I thought I was the one trying to undo all the rules around here. I didn't make all the stifling rules. I am working to change them.
I am the owner of 2 large (but very well behaved trained Therapy Dogs). I absolutely understand that people don't like dogs so I would NEVER force them on anyone. My problem is that there is this major double standard between my beautiful rescued greyhound and someone's yappy purse-dog. I must admit that I enjoy going out to breakfast or happy hour with my pooches and sitting outside on the patio. I don't mind being banished with the smokers because I agree that dogs (of any size, breed, etc) should not be in stores. I wouldn't mind a "dog" section at the patio restaurants so that people who would also like to dine al fresco but don't like dogs can eat in peace.
Tom, you are more than welcome to meet my 2 dogs. They are super sweet. :) We volunteer at libraries and hospitals.
Megan, if all it takes is respect and communication, I am hereby respectfully requesting that you do not bring your dogs into any store or restaurant in which I may be.
Now, are you going to comply?
To Anon 3:03 - some rules are needed, and I don't think it is stifling to ask you to pay a simple respect to others, by not bringing your dog into these places.
Being here longer doesn't make you right. When that's your only argument, odds are that you are dead wrong.
ps. I also support a ban of babies in bars (ever), in restaurants (after 10) or anywhere in public after 10:30.
It makes me think bad things about your parenting skills when I see you pushing your stoller through the streets of the grove at midnight on a friday night.
I would agree with Robin that I wouldn't mind being relegated to a dog section on a patio. I'm fine not bringing my dogs in restaurants (although as I said earlier, i've seen this work successfully).
@that guy: I am willing to consider your request, but remember communication works both ways. I'd like to ask if you have a reason for not wanting dogs in stores where food is not served?
Dog lover said:
There's an old saying that the fish rotts from the head down..
I'm not sure if anyone remembers the merchants meeting at the bookstore about 6 months ago. In walks his blindness King Mark with his 100lb dog in tow with NO leash. It was a clasic case of do as I say and not as I do. I'm not saying the dog was being unruley because it wasn't. It did however strike me as incredably arrogant for this simple reason... Sarnoff is very familiar with all the LAWS and code enforcement regulations in the Grove. He knows that bringing a dog inside ANY place that sells food is a CLEAR violation of the LAW. He couldn't have cared less because it was something that HE likes to do. I can pretty much guarantee you that if there was a dog in a BAR or establishment that doesn't consume his coolaid they'd be paid a visit sooner than you can say "Woof"
Let's call the Health Department and we shall see how quickly they close down Grove restaurants with dogs in them. They will close them down.
Grape, it sort of looks like people in general do not enjoy dogs "in public" as much as one might think. It sort of looks like those bicyclyst who spread out on roadways blocking normal flowing traffic and dog owners making us walk in a wide birth circle to avoid their dogs potential bites have something to tell dog owners. I think the keywords are "awareness" and "respect". Not for their dogs, but for us and our children who get bitten in the face so often.
I fly over 100,000 miles a year with my small poodle. I have had other passengers ask me is my dog friendly. I always tell them, you have a choice of either sitting next to me and my poodle or sitting next to that screaming kid. They think for a minute and sit next to me.....
To megan from Jay - your unnecessary law is my necessary law - now what ?
We meet,we talk,my right is better than your right, we argue, we fight (a war or a gun), etc, etc. That is why society has laws/ regs for the common good.You do not like it. 1. call your local official to change it 2. disregard it and suffer the consequences. Read my response once again at 10/04 6:11. It is NOT a "Grove" thing, it is not a macho power thing, it is not a lack of courtesy to others thing. It all does not matter. IT IS THE LAW. Love it, change it, or leave! I am sure there is someplace in the world where anarchy is still the norm!
I usually don't mind dogs in the stores unless they jump all over me, lick my toes (hate that!) or smell bad.
I have felt bad for my boyfriend as he has an allergy to dogs. We don't really mind them if they are just passing though though.
Anon 6:46 Lady, you're full of it. You've just indicated that seats are not assigned and that there are always two available seats, one next to you and one next to a screaming kid. Where on a plane would you not hear the screaming kid? Personally, I would offer to relieve the Mother and would succeed in bringing some comfort to the "screaming kid" and other passangers. You suffer from misanthropy and I suffer from caring.
"The more I know people, The more I love my DOG"
The coments here just shows the intolerance and lack of respect we humans have for eachother........There is no hope for the human race!
Megan - My reason is that I simply don't like dogs. I don't like the way they smell, act, look, etc. Is that enough? Do I need to have a medical condition or a phobia in order for you to respect my rights not to have some unsanitary beast thrown in my face anytime I want a cup of coffee or a beer or a sandwich?
@that guy: you have a lot to learn about respect.
we have a long way to go if this is the way we talk to our neighbors.
Megan - exactly what did THATGUY @9:52 say that was not "respectful to our neighbors" ? He simply stated his thoughts, did not cuss or accuse or threaten.THis is exactly as you said people should solve a problem. A simple statement for a discussion on his part to state why HIS right is better than YOUR right.You then attack rather than state your point.YOU are the one not engaging in a civil discussion and proving my point that even people who profess to be "rational" ultimately think only they are right. That is why societal laws / regs ARE necessary just because there are people who think only that they are right - sort of like YOU! Seems that you think you are right and every one else is wrong since you only attacked rather than discussed.As I asked before - what next to prove who is right - guns, wars, etc ?
@jay: In my opinion, calling my pet, something valuable and important to me, an "unsanitary beast" is rude and disrespectful. Just as, I imagine, you would be offended if I engaged in name calling about something valuable and important to you.
Just to be clear, as far as solutions go, I happily agreed that I would be fine sitting in a separate section of a restaurant patio, and in continuing to seek a solution through compromise, questioned "that guy's" reasoning for not allowing dogs in other businesses where food is not served, which btw he did not respond to, he just continued to rage about an "unsanitary beast thrown in my face anytime I want a cup of coffee or a beer or a sandwich."
So, in my opinion, I am working toward a solution and he could maybe try a little harder.
In addition, to reiterate, I believe laws are important, and am not an anarchist. My point from the beginning was to encourage everyone to 1) consider solving SOME issues by discussion rather than blanket bans/laws and 2)realize that maybe the way we are talking TO each other is more important than what we are talking about.
My point exactly Jay - she attacked me, only because I don't like dogs, and no apparently has no care for my rights.
This is precisely the problem. Dog owners, all to often (not all of them), believe that anyone who doesn't love dogs as much as them is a bad person, and does not require respect or common courtesy.
Thank you for showing your true colors megan.
Same to you Jay.
My last comment was directed to that guy not jay.
Mr "That Guy' and "Jay" I totally agree with Megan.
You guys are very rude and have no regard for other peoples opinion.
I do happen to be a Dog owner and I do resent anythone calling my dog a beast. Would you be offended it I call your child a brat screaming, dirty beast?
The grove is a laid back and unique bit of paradise within the madness we call Miami, I live, work, and play in the grove, and I love it that I have the option to bring my dog in and out of stores. Most proprietors in the grove, offer up water and treats for our four legged friends.
The BookStore in the Grove is great ! Food is great, nice vibe, the staff is friendly and it has filled a void in our little community. I enjoy taking my dog for a walk and stopping for a coffee at the bookstore. My dog shouldn’t scare you, and I can guarantee that he is cleaner than most of our eclectic coconut grove residents.
I have two very behaved dogs over 50 lbs. They are both well trained. I live in the grove and spend the majority of my time in the grove. However, I do AGREE dogs should not be allowed inside resturants.
But the pettiness about bringing dog out and about is why the grove is losing its flair. Dogs need exercise too. Everyone that feels that the grove is not giving their dogs the respect they deserve should quickly head over to the gables and specially merrick park. They are dog friendly and don't complain about dogs in the stores. They actually welcome it.
Megan - once again you are proving you are wrong. You are saying that "unsanitary beast" is rude and not respectful. It may be , it may not be, that is not hte point. You have shouw what happens w/o laws.YOU think he was wrong, etc, etc.Who is right, etc, etc. IT IS NOT ABOUT DOGS to you and anon at 12:52. It is about respect for laws so there is none of the problems YOU seem to find. A simple solution.A person walks into a eating establishment with ANY animal --dog, monkey. I go to owner/ mrg. Sir - this is the law. You observe it and ask the offender to leave or I call the authorities.It ain't about "dogs"it ain't about ego'. Most of you get it. The rest - well- guns are legal in Fla.Verbally/scuss YOUR right is better than their right.I would rather have a cop be my voice - not judge - but enforcer of rules YOU - I - THEY have agreed to honor as a society. As they used to say "Love it or leave it (or change it - but you can't ignore it because you think you are "righter" )!END OF STORY PEOPLE !!
The Grove residents have a lot to learn. You guys should take a drive to Key West where tolerance and the true meaning of a united community exis, a place where anything goes and respected.
Key West reminds me of the old Grove. From reading all the comments, the little that we have will be lost if we keep allowing these narrow minded individuals run our beautiful village...Shame an all of you.
I don't have kids, and agree that they are often less sanitary and well mannered than they should be. As are some people.
Anon 12:52 - read closer next time. Comprehension is not your strong suit.
The diffence though between your dog's rights and my rights, are that mine are superior in every way. That is the law. Your dog can be refused entry into any business for any reason or none at all. Not so for me.
Thank you and good night. And megan please look up Beast in a dictionary and explain to me why it fails to describe a dog? (any nonhuman animal, esp. a large, four-footed mammal) I think unsanitary has already been covered.
Re: Jobie Steppe comment . I guess you donot travel much to bad, But there is a airline that flies over 100 million passengers a year to 66 great airports. The name of that Airline is called SOUTHWEST AIRLINES. On that wonderful airline you choose ANY seat on their 737's. So Yes the passengers can have a choice of sitting next to me with my quiet dog or sitting next to a screaming baby. I guess you would rather enjoy the latter. PS don't forget your ear plugs.
That guy........this has nothing to do comprehention but with compassion, tolerance and respect.
I am afraid you do not fit into any of these categories......
What a poor little soul you have.....I really feel sorry for you.
I bet you are alone and do have a mate!
TO THAT GUY - give it up - I did. There are still some people out there who think it is a dog small/big/baby/cat/smell,grove. key west etc issue.It is a arrogance - lack of aw areness that you are not the center of the world AND following laws that we all agreed to (me -you - they).. issue."They don't see the forest because of the trees".They still think "their" rights are right. Logic from point A to B is lacking in many myoptic righteous people.Maybe you can explain that the dog is symbolic, a metaphor, etc. Of course you will also have to explain what these words mean! Good luck and good night !
Anon 4:30 - stop consulting psychics and spiritual crystals and try consulting a dictionary. Your grasp of the language is as pathetic as you random conclusions about a person, based upon their opinion in regard to dogs.
Grape, Many serious writers have written about U.S. Citizens and their cats and dogs. Many other countries find this relationship "sick", i.e., the amount of money used on animals that should be spent on improving the human condition. I don't think these remarks indicate a hatred for dogs. For example you don't hear of people hating chickens or some particular bird, or bears, or horses or fish, although humans pay large amounts on many varities of animals. A certain "kind" of person that prefers the company of a dog instead of being capable of creating a meaningful relationship with another human is not normal humanity, although the phrase mans best friend is a dog is widespread it is not a literal statement. I've owned and loved dogs for over 40 years, but they were not the center of my attention.
that guy...
I think I striked a nerve.......
Such a good feeling.
You are such an....I can't prononce it here, but it starts with an A and ends with am E.
@ anon 1:22
I agree. You people need to get off your high horse (no pun intended) and be a little tolerant of your neighbors and their pets. I have been bitten by my neighbor's rottweiler 3 times in the last 10 years.. so I am afraid of rotties.. Not big dogs.
At the same time, I'm not saying we need no laws... but The Grove has become so much more.. stuffy? than when I was a kid growing up there. (Still live in North Grove but am currently studying abroad in London)
The Grove just needs to relax and not get their undies in a bunch every time something happens.
Megan, I agree with you. Dogs get on the Eurostar, where food is served, enter restaurants and ride the buses and trains.. And the dogs are respected or ignored, but are all well behaved.
And Jay & 'that guy', smoking is banned here in Europe. Same rules as in the States.
More important is what the Grape provides for all Grovites is the opportuntity to comment with your name or anon; an opportuntity at expression, to release an inner feeling, to communicate in a public like forum, to share, to release some stress or tension, to get it on---or scream out some inner most feeling. It's hardly ever over the subject matter, not really----it's more basic 101 psy with many statements being deceptive to invoke responses and those who respond also invoke deceit. Most of these comments are not about big dogs, rather they reflect what people feel about other people who subject us to potential danger, i.e., 4.7-million dog bites annually, mostly to faces and children.
T0 Alexis - RULES - you said it all. Thank you. Exactly my point about rules. Society (govt - citizens)enacted a law for the common good.They did not specify Kool brand cigarettes(large dogs)to be allowed to be smoked and ban other brands (small dogs/ cats/) etc.Try and follow the logic from A to B - follow logic as you just stated that there are rules about smoking in Europe from A to B.
Wow, such passion here. I'm a dog owner, and even though mine is of smaller size (24 lbs), I know that I shouldn't take him into a store if it sells food or not, out of respect to the other patrons of the store. It has nothing to do with the demeanor of my dog (he's a lovable guy, but I know that some ppl are scared, regardless of the wagging tail and dopey smile). I will take him to eat with me in the mornings after my run, but only to places where we can sit outside. Yes he will bark sometimes, but he calms down easily. I always pick up after him (and wash my hands after), but even I know that there are some times that I don't think he should be out while dining, for respect for others.
@Alexis (or anyone else):
Speaking on smoking being banned here, I thought that you couldn't light up anywhere that more than 10% of the revenue was from food. Is this right, wrong, almost correct? I'm asking, b/c what about those restaurants that have outdoor (but covered) seating? I don't think smoking should be allowing there either by the law, but know knows.
@arkitect75
As of June/July of either 2007 or 2008 (I've only been here since June 2009), in EU countries, it is illegal to smoke indoors. Some countries have exceptions, like smoking rooms (spain), but in most of the EU smoking inside restaurants, cafes, bars, clubs.. is illegal. Everyone still smokes, but outside.
Personally, I agree.. I don't want smoke flavored food.. indoors or outdoors..
cheers
TO ARKITECT 75. The law, by default, smoking outside is allowed.BUT any establishment is also given the right(notice my use of the word RIGHT instead of option/opinion) to BAN smoking outdoors. I of course would agree with that. Seems ridiculous to want to sit outside outside in the fresh air and then be surrounded by smoke.If you agree tell the owner - they have the law/rule to enact this. Which also applies to dogs OF ALL SIZES ! They got the right because you - we - I gave it to them via society,elected representatives, blah blah blah etc, etc,etc if you understand the logic from A to B.
Another thought. Forget about the law ! Forget about the size of the dog or if it is any animal - monkey, cat.Would you/anybody go into eithers your friends house, a neighbors house, anybodies house with any animal w/o asking them first.Do think that people should change the their behavior to others just because it is involves strangers in a public space ? That is arrogance. You don,t litter in a friends house, you don.t litter in the street. BUT there are people who are arranobt enought thay laws/regs AND signs have to remind them.Don,t agree - let me sneeze all over you in a store next time - ain,t no law against that!
And if anybody does not understand the concept of my last posting - 1. some people afraid of big dogs, some people of little dogs, some people of monkeys,some people are afraid of boa constrictors, etc. 2. There are people allergic to dogs - any size , cats any size , etc....follow the analogy and logic A to B if you can. But for those who can't' that is why society (as we have empowered our legal reps to do)to give them a moral compass that we all have agreed upon. There are laws we they must follow !! Guess if we all knew what was "right" we would not need religions to show us "their" right way.
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