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Monday, July 21, 2008

You can't have anything nice

I received the following photos and email from Lilliana Dones, president of the Grove Chamber of Commerce and member of the Village Council. (If you click on the photos, they will open larger).

"What you saw today, unfortunately, is the norm. In fact it's not over. As I write this (8:30 pm) I have a good view of the ramp, and it looks like Sea Tow is over there dealing with something, and possibly a police boat with lights flashing. Can't tell because it's too dark.

The overcrowding makes for tension between the ramp users. Living across the street, and being regular walkers of the parks and marina, we have observed, in the last couple years how the boats kept getting bigger so the trailers got bigger, and so did the SUV's that need to haul them, resulting in some of the images we took on Saturday of last week.

Trailers dangling precariously, sometimes ending in the water when the driver, at the end of the day of sun and fun (and possibly, some beers) hits reverse. I have also seen quite a few cars end up in the water, including a BMW and a Hummer.

Then there are the ones that simply ignore the No Parking or Ramp Full signs and park on the grass, which results in burned up grass. (Fortunately for the grass, it's been raining a lot). The Marina security guard on duty when these photos were taken, told us they were there when she arrived in the morning and she promptly called the Miami Parking Authority (MPA), which showed up while we were still on the lot.

On the way back from our walk, we checked the windshields, curious to see what the ticket would be. There were no tickets. We then saw the MPA officer, who explained a he called the towing company.

Anyone who's ever had the experience of having a car towed can only imagine the extreme hassle of having to retrieve a towed trailer, especially at the end of a day in which you are, for sure, tired, irritable and wanting to go home. (What do you do with the boat while you go fetch the trailer back from who know where?) . But get this, one of the homeless who hang out beneath the big tree came over and pointed out he had warned these guys about getting towed, and their response was "we don't care, we have money." Money for what? At the end of the day they still had to fetch their trailers themselves!

When Seminole ramp was redone a few years ago, there were nice landscaping details, such as hedges surrounding the parking lot.

I recall going to the presentations before the Seminole Boat Ramp was redone, and that was a big deal because it somewhat screened the cars from view of those using the walking and jogging path. Due to the large size of the vehicles, the have literally "grilled" away the hedge.

All this was once covered with hedge. Also, here is another side effect: garbage cans filled to brim (most are before noon on a Saturday). And speaking of garbage, notice the garbage on the rocks.

We agree that power boaters need have a place to launch, but the Seminole Boat Ramp has long been outgrown. To insist it remain is not unlike Cinderella's step sisters trying to shoe-horn their way into that glass slipper."

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16 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wonder if there have been any accident's on the road to and from
caused by the boats being to big for their trailers?

July 21, 2008 4:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Glad to see that you agree that powerboaters(and sailboats & kayaks too!) need a place to launch from in the Grove.

After all, what good is a waterfront "more accessable to the public" without a place to launch from?

The photos perhaps suggest that a boat/trailer size limit might be a good solution to this percieved problem of out growing the ramp.

-I'll start the bidding at 25 ft max!

July 21, 2008 5:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whoever puts up the sign that says the Lot is Full ought to be monitoring the ramps. What exactly is their job? Seems to me the area just needs some supervision and monitoring. We could put a kiosk there that they have to stop at and get a pass. That way when it's full, it's full!

July 21, 2008 5:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The people that run the ramp are dumb police officers that don't know what heck is going on. At least that was the case with my last encounter there.

It was a pretty Saturday around 11:30-12:00 am and we drove down to Matheson Hammocks to put the boat in the water. They were full with a line a mile long. So we came up to the Grove and they said they were full too.
1. They weren't full.
2. We weren't even parking the trailer there, we were dropping the boat off and parking the trailer at a friend's house.
3. One officer said we could get in then 5 mins later someone else that had a major ego problem said we couldn't.
4. We didn't understand why we couldn't do "one boat out of the water, so one boat goes in". We were willing to wait. Then the officer said we had to turn around and circle around the block b/c Bayshore was getting backed up. So what happened----we drove out and lost our place in line and the next 2 boats were let in.
5. Tried Key Biscayne---full too. We ended up not going on the boat and had some dinner. It was a joke only b/c they needed educated (at least boatwise) people to run it.

Basically, the dock is essential so that people don't have to go down to Matheson or over to the Key. It would be impossible to launch a boat--too crowded. the Grove is on the water-how could you not have a boat ramp??

July 21, 2008 6:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i too live across the street, grove towers. yes, it can get a little funky at the boat ramp. and yes, the scene can get a little weird with the homeless guys and the loud music and the congestion. but funky and weird is what the grove is all about. and as a boat owner, i can tell you miami simply doesn't have enough places to launch a boat. so please folks, please - let's keep the ramp. because with it it, heck, we might as well live in the friggin gables.

July 21, 2008 6:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

(sorry for the typo)
so please folks, please - let's keep the ramp. because WITHOUT it, heck, we might as well live in the friggin gables.

July 21, 2008 6:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So let me get this straight 2 guys park their trailers in the grass, some play loud music and cause traffic and because of this the other 40 or so that are parked correctly and follow the rules should not be allowed to use the ramp. It should be closed?

So far everything I see happens all across the Grove. People ignore the law in the streets where they park (its a Miami thing, not boaters). They play loud music in their cars. There is major traffic each thursday, friday and weekend. They litter, and try to park subourbans into compact spots. Pee in the stair wells in cocowalk. Yet the focus is on the boaters.

I have to say the problem is police presence and security. How come no one complaints about the ilegal parking going on at Kennedy Park. Where cars are all over the Grass. I think we should focus on making solutions to upgrade the ramp area for the growth it has had, not close it. Plus focus on solutions to other Grove problems.

July 21, 2008 6:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually, the police should begin having the balls to ticket people who break the law.

Delivery trucks that park in the middle of the street for half and hour or more

Double parked cars

Pedestrians who cross the street against the light forcing all traffice to stop

Then the same traffic hauls ass to "compensate" for the time stopped

People running red lights

People stopped at green lights

The Grove could probably subsist on those ticket revenues alone.

Finally: it's "accessible" not "accessable"

July 21, 2008 7:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think that what all of this points to is that the area needs a much larger facility that is located in a place that can handle the traffic. There's a lot of unused space at Crandon marina that seems to cry out for this type of use, but I believe that's County property.

July 22, 2008 2:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Like every problem in the grove, stemming from thefts to the liquor ordinance, the issue is enforement. The city of Miami would like much more money by enforcing the laws and getting rid of those who are always breaking every ruloe possibe than by preventing access. This is getting pathetic. Everytime we have an issue with something, the soution is to get rid of it. what happened to ENFORCEMENT?

July 22, 2008 5:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They didn't get their raise.

July 22, 2008 6:20 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A waterfront community without a public boat ramp is ridiculous. Whose idea is this?

July 22, 2008 12:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess it's easy to look out the condo window and blame local launch users with lame fabrications.

"...there were nice landscaping details, such as hedges surrounding the parking lot. Due to the large size of the vehicles, the have literally "grilled" away the hedge."

Did we forget about our two recent visitors that may have be the actual culprits here.....Wilma and Katrina?

And how can someone blame the boaters for the overflowing trash cans? It's not their job to empty them.

July 22, 2008 12:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The problem seems to be enforcement or consistent enforecment. If the city relies on someone to call them everytime there is an enfraction then the enforecment will not be consistent. How about a $250-$500 fine...And the MPA stopping in there multiple times a day to enforce. Or, how about hiring someone at the entrance that will allow orr turn away the vehicles based on size and current capacity. This problem seems easy to fix if the city cared about...

July 22, 2008 1:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Back in the 70's and 80's when we had nothing to do, we would bicycle down to Matheson and watch the pleasure boaters try to launch and load their boats. They would approach the docks at a high speed, and then their own wakes would crash the boat into the dock, or an unlucky neighbor. Better than a double feature, and cheaper too! We also watched at Watson Island, Key Biscayne, Seminole and Black Point when launching our own boat. Many evenings we would idle up to the docks, and see someone's headlights out in 5 of 10 feet of water when they forgot to set their parking brakes. You might be able to issue permits to boaters, but you can't legislate intelligence.

July 22, 2008 2:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I keep my boat at the High & Dry and what a sweet life style that is. Pull the expo center down and construct more high and drys. It might upset the Ritz and a few other Condos, but they knew in the near future something was to be built where the expo center sits. 33133 residents should go to the top of the High and dry list. What do U think??

July 22, 2008 11:06 PM  

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