"Key West" designed Home Depot
There are questions about the "Key West design" of the Home Depot. You can see that here: www.grovedepot.com . You can see both the "Key West design" and the old K-mart location by clicking Conceptual Images and Photo Gallery.
The "Key West design" is what the new building would look like when built from the ground up. I don't want to post the pics here because I don't know if I have permission, so please use the links above.
The K-mart design is just basically gutting the smaller K-mart store and using that as the shell for Home Depot, which is the desired method by most Grove residents.
Don't be fooled by the beauty of the new "Key West design," you can't judge a book by it's cover. Having a huge box store in the Grove is not the way to go, no matter how pretty the exterior is.
The "Key West design" is what the new building would look like when built from the ground up. I don't want to post the pics here because I don't know if I have permission, so please use the links above.
The K-mart design is just basically gutting the smaller K-mart store and using that as the shell for Home Depot, which is the desired method by most Grove residents.
Don't be fooled by the beauty of the new "Key West design," you can't judge a book by it's cover. Having a huge box store in the Grove is not the way to go, no matter how pretty the exterior is.
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59 Comments:
How are you determining that most grove residents want the Home Depot to open in the old K-Mart shell?
Most grove residents I have talked to would prefer a bigger, nicer keywest style or no home depot at all.
I was going to ask the same question. For example, the K-Mart store version will have deliveries being made on Bird Rd., whereas the Max Strang design will have deliveries on U.S. 1. Also, the Strang design will keep Milam's and Walgreens (albeit in a new structure), whereas the Kmart version will result in those stores losing their leases.
Strang is also the Grove's most notable and respected architect.
Given these facts, most people I talk to say that, if there must be a HD on that lot, then the Strang design is the most preferable.
It's brinkmanship. My understanding (correct me if i'm wrong) is that Home Depot requires the City Commission's approval to proceed with the "Key West" design, but they don't need any special permission to retrofit the old K-mart space.
SO, the questions is if we the community successfully thwart the "Key West" plan, will Home Depot turn tail and leave OR will they take what they can and retrofit the K-mart building?
I think most people think the former is true, that is, Home Depot will leave once/if we defeat the Key West option. This is why I asked in a previous post what the sqft difference is between the Key West and K-mart plans. Is it worth it for HD to only occupy the K-mart building? Especially considering that their original plan was for a big orange box store like 8th street. I don't know if they anticipated this much resistance from the community.
For what it's worth, I think we should fight: no home depot, not in any shape, form or design. we do not negotiate. period.
I agree with SWLIP's comments above. The mindset of all Grove residents that I've encountered favor the Key West version. The other version (inside Kmart) will be identical to 8th street, with all of its problems.
Jeez, that's a huge structure! It looks "normal" in some angles, but then when you see the elevation from US1 you get to see the huge size of that building.
Can you even visualize 3 or 4 big rigs per hour in US1 driving up? Can you visualize what happens if one or two of the rigs can't go in because of a delay? Poof, there goes one entire lane of US1.
Can you imagine the zillion little SUV's and pick up trucks exiting into US1 from there as they usually do? Zooming out!
The issue is not the building, I hope, which any architect can make inviting, it is the volume of traffic in a corner woefully unprepared for it and the zillion aggravations we will have to put up with.
The Key West style is far superior to any other alternative, including a vacant former K-Mart.
CL
Home Depot does care about the Grove. Home Depot does not care about the so-called "the Key West" design. Home Depot only wants the location so they can make money. They just paid their Chairman $210 Mil to leave the company. They could care less about the Grove.
Keep fighting. They might well go away. Then someone professional might put up an interesting mixed use project. Quiet and low stress.
The Max Strang design is approx 125,000 sq ft; the Kmart space is approx. 70,000. Home Depot cannot make a profit with a 70,000 sq. ft store. Remember that Walgreens is going in across McDonald where the Oil Can was recently demolished. HD has never stated what drug store would go in there. Yes the Key West plan is a more pleasing design and most residents like it, they just don't like that a Home Depot is going in that structure. Visit SW 8th St. Why do you think the management of a "pretty design" is going to be any better than that store? The Code Enforcement is still operated thru the City of Miami and if Regalado cannot get Code to enforce there it won't be any different in Coconut Grove.
Commissioner Regalado encourages me every time I speak to him to not give up the fight. His comment is always that Home Depot is not a good neighbor. He gets calls on a daily basis about the 8th St. store.
Remember Home Depot will build their store and ride out of town and we will be left to deal with Code, traffic, crime, delivery trucks, noise, etc. every day for the rest of our lives.
Sue McConnell
If Home Depot is forced to stay in the 70,000 sq ft old K-Mart space they might very well just quit. They are not set up to manage such a small space.
After all Home Depot wins because they prevented its main competitor Lowe's from taking that site.
Let's not be sidetracked by Key West designs, Max Strang's designs or any such nonsense.
Think about the dozens of 16-wheelers, customers, cars, tons of garbage, code violations, increased traffic and all sorts of daily annoyances that a Home Depot will bring.
Keep protesting!
Never Negotiate With Corporate Predators
Home Depot is threatening the residents of Coconut Grove by not renewing the contract with Milam’s Grocery Store, if we do not acquiesce to their demands to build a much larger structure in our quiet, safe and family oriented residential neighborhood.
None of us living in Coconut Grove wish to lose Milam’s. Most of us are pleased that the Fresh Market has now arrived.
As you know Fresh Market is a first-class operation and therefore taking a great deal of customers and employees away from Milam’s.
As you also know the building that Fresh Market is occupying is there thanks to the monumental efforts of many dedicated community activists that fought tooth and nail to save it against the wishes and efforts of the city of Miami.
None of us appreciate Home Depot threatening us with the use of Milam’s as a kidnapped hostage.
Very few of our community want Home Depot here at all. Some are willing to pay the high price to keep Milam’s here.
Most of us feel the price that Home Depot wishes to exhort from our community is just too high.
Many of us don’t wish to deal with kidnappers at all and will not play their game under any circumstance.
I bet that you would not want any Big Box store built next door to your house or in your neighborhood.
I bet that you would not give into intimidation by a thug that kidnapped your child, robbed your jewelry, took your car, took your laptop, stalked you or blackmailed you with incriminating pictures.
I don’t blame Home Depot for their efforts to get this location. They wish to keep out competitors and the location is a great showcase for signage that will be seen by millions of drivers each year.
I don’t blame the residents of Coconut Grove for wishing to save the little bit of our community that still remains that has not already been scarified by the city of Miami.
The blame is totally with the city of Miami for allowing this fiasco to take place in the first place and to not correct the situation for the past year. The city zoning is at fault. The city attorney is at fault. The city mayor, commissioners and manager are at fault if they do not see this as a travesty and correct it now before it is too late and prevent it from ever happening again.
Commissioner Tomas Regalado knows better than most the devastating impact that an inappropriate Big Box store can have on a quiet and safe family orientated residential neighborhood, since he has a Home Depot in his district with the most code infractions. He has taken a firm stance against Home Depot having a similar disastrous effect on Coconut Grove.
Please help support the fight to keep our Grove safe from predatory Big Box stores like Home Depot. Please encourage your fellow commissioners, mayor and city manager to do so as well. Please solicit a second legal opinion from a real zoning professional. Please do our city a big favor by getting rid of the present city attorney as soon as possible. Please help us to save what remains of our beloved Coconut Grove.
Over 13,000 residents petitioned to keep Big Box stores out of Coconut Grove. I believe there are about 19,000 total residents in Coconut Grove where Home Depot wishes to locate in the Grove Gate Center on the corner of US 1 and SW 32 Avenue.
If that number is not enough to convince the city of Miami the wishes of the majority of our community, then please tell us what is the correct amount of names required so that we may continue to solicit them for you.
Harry Emilio Gottlieb
Coconut Grove
If we were forced to deal with the introduction of a HD in the Grove, I would opt for the Strang design. I will say that the renderings are a total game of smoke & mirrors though. There is no freakin way that they are going to plant all of those trees in there.
I still stand against any sort of HD in the Grove, no matter which street its on or how big it is. Like "anonymous" posted above, an HD invites trucks, big rigs, vans, and lots of traffic to an intersection that has serious traffic woes already. Try driving on Bird across US1 in the morning or at the end of the work day and youll get the point. That is my main concern. Trash, scumbag employees, and illegal immigrants are the other concerns.
someone above said: "The Max Strang design is approx 125,000 sq ft; the Kmart space is approx. 70,000. Home Depot cannot make a profit with a 70,000 sq. ft store."
This is an extremely important consideration that is not getting enough attention.
People are focusing too much on the aesthetic issues of the various designs. Naturally, the aesthetic issues are what concern us, but try and think about this from a business point-of-view (how Home Depot sees it). Someone else made the claim that Home Depot can not be profitable in 70k sq ft. Read the grovedepot.com website carefully- Home Depot is in effect threatening us with the "K-mart retrofit". They don't want K-mart, they want Key West. More sq ft = more profit.
IF we defeat the Key West plan Home Depot might forgo developing the K-mart spot since it would be unprofitable. I don't know if they will (only Home Depot knows this). Is it a gamble for us to take? Absolutely, but it's the best choice. I am not about to roll over and accept the Key West design. We will never get them out of our neighborhood that way.
-JP
jose.partinez78@yahoo.com
The "Key West Design" is a sham. Home Depot has no intention to spend the money it will take to build that design by that architect. Home Depot only wants the approval for a 125,000 sq ft store. If the City of Miami Commissioners make the mistake of giving in then you will see Home Depot claiming "hardship" and they will cancel the "Key West Design" and they will build its typical big orange box.
Keep visualizing the 18 wheelers and trucks entering and exiting US 1.
Trucks and 18-wheelers are going to be there whether there is a 135,000 or 75,000 square foot design.
Home depot is not going to remove their store if they can't build the keywest design--especially now that the real estate market is cooling. There are small home depots that turn a profit in other cities across the US. Of course they would prefer a larger store.
What we, as grove residents, will lose is a garden center, aisle space, a nice building there instead of a big box.
People keep bringing up the traffic issue. Traffic is bad now. Traffic will continually get worse every single year until Miami-Dade residents are forced into modes of alternative transportation. Major developments are currently planned along the US-1 corridor (i.e. "Dadeland North" style development in the Gables). They will be a major impact on traffic. The recent Watershed Study emphasized UPZONING the entire US-1 Corridor to allow for greater density. This would help alleviate our appetite (and history) for moving the UDB and pushing development wesward). This is Eastward Ho! Imagine the traffic then. Home Depot is really a blip, guys. US-1 is destined to become much more dense (less navigable)than it already is. And frankly, I support this, if done with smart development practices such as maximizing density at mass transit nodes. And at the end of the day, all these people will need a convenient and economical place to buy home supply materials and landscaping.
That's the ticket, we'll all lug lumber across US1 onto Metrorail and take it home that way.
NOT.
I frequent the Grove a lot and I find amusing claims that it is a "safe and family oriented community"... Pluuuhze!
There areas of the Grove that are pretty scary to cross by whether it is day or night. I think you people have much bigger issues at hand than the whole soap opera episode with Home Depot.
Don't get me wrong.. I love the Grove but quite frankly there is much room from improvement and the Home Depot fiasco is a drop in the bucket of all the problems that the area currently faces.
I also take issue with the comment that the Home Depot will attract "scumbag employees" and "illegal immigrants". How so? could be be that those minimum wage employees look latino instead of Anglo-Saxon? The bigotry of some of the residents in the area shines through. If you can't stand latinos, then you live in the wrong place.
anon@3:07 said "I also take issue with the comment that the Home Depot will attract 'scumbag employees' and 'illegal immigrants'"
Ummmm, have you been to a Home Depot lately? You can't seriously take issue with that comment. Granted, it is not a "PC" thing to say but the veracity of such a claim is beyond question. The Home Depot on 8th st is a perfect example.
MAKE NO MISTAKE- HOME DEPOT IS THE WORST THING THAT COULD HAPPEN TO THAT SPACE. I am fighting this to the end. My dream for that space is a nice supermarket, i.e. a Publix, a mega-bookstore and a coffee/bagel shop.
yeah, a publix would be great, i hate milams.
I like the idea of nixing the key west plan in favour of restricting home depot to the old kmart building. Faced with that home depot will probably move on, occupying the kmat building isn't worth their time or money. they bought that lot with a massive box warehouse in mind
Anyone who thinks that any kind of home depot (keywest, kmart or otherwise) is acceptable needs to take a drive out to 8th street. The thought of a home depot in my back yard makes me sick, i get this knot in my stomach that i feel i'm going to vomit everytime I think about it. When is the next city meeting? I'm taking off from work to be there. I, we, all of us who live in the Grove have so much to lose, starting with 10s of thousands of dollars or property value not to mention our quality of life which you can't place a value on.
cheers,
Rob
All of this talk of KeyWest vs this or the other plan scares me. All that matters is that a home depot is a home depot is a home depot NO MATTER WHAT KIND OF BUILDING IT IS IN!!! It is a terrible thing to have here. The traffic will be unmanagable and will constantly spill over into our streets. There is no plan or compromise which would satisfy me. No Home Depot PERIOD
One more reason to boycott Home Depot: it's founder, and Co-Chairman of the Board Bernard Marcus is an active Zionist. He is on the board of directors of Emet, the pro-Israel media ‘War Room’ whose function is to ensure that all media in the US stays biased in favour of Israel.
--maybe by denying Home Depot extra profits in the Grove, there will be some more balanced reporting on the Middle East which at this point our country surely needs.
I am amused by the Home Depot lobbyists and by the promotors of the Mercy Hospital scam who keep saying... "Well, the traffic is already terrible, so another 30 minute delay should not matter." Wow, that is almost like telling someone with lung cancer to "Keep smoking you are already dying".
The K-Mart site would provide for a nice small condo project with a retail and even some offices. And it could be built leaving all the 40-70 year old trees in place.
Eastward Ho! We should continue doing urban infill. But we have many sites that need renovation within the City of Miami. We do not need to burden US 1.
i think we should fight to keep the key west store out. They are not going to keep a home depot there with that limited space. There profit will be in the larger contractor oriented stuff which isnt going to fit in that space. Then maybe something else will come in more practical. I think something like an R.E.I. would be GREAT there. We should invite them. I think there is something beautiful about the largest outdoor sport store in America being a co-op. And they are masters of unique store design for all kinds of scales.
Home Depot operates under dozens of corporate names. If they are limited to any particular size per store, they will simply open 2 (or 3 or 4) adjacent stores on the same lot...each within the maximum size allowed in the Grove.
Duh!
People who run multi-billion dollar businesses actually are pretty smart and don't allow themselves to be outflanked by amateur-hour neighborhood groups.
"People who run multi-billion dollar businesses actually are pretty smart..." How are the Enron "smart" people doing? 6 to 18, I believe. How are the "smart" people from Tyco doing? 20 to 25, I believe. How are the "smart" people running Baring Bank doing? Dead and buried, I believe. How are the Home Depot shareholders doing? Sucking wind, I believe. Have not the Grove "amateurs" beaten Home Depot at every stage of this fight? Is it not true that Home Depot is forced to pay rent every month to Kimco, the landlord? Thirty three months and counting? I will keep betting on the amateurs. Better odds. Better class of people.
I still think that Dylan Ace could make HD disappear...
As one of the people making complaints to Commissioner Regalado on a regular basis (his office phone is on my speed dial)I would say it's a mistake to put a Home Depot in that spot whether it's the Strang design, the Big Box, or the Concrete Manny design. The issue is not so much the employees who will be parking all over the neighborhood, but the day laborers who congregate in the parking lot each day not to mention the burst of criminal activity, trash, and noise. Add to that the illegal vendors (rarely enforced), parking violations (never enforced), debris left by Home Depot customers, and the general operations of a Home Depot store with management who couldn't care less and you will have a Grove disaster. Do you think the neighbors of the Calle Ocho store like the situation that exists? I am picking up garbage each morning and by evening there is a huge mess again. Where do the Home Depot shopping carts filled with old lumber, broken toilets, and other debris that are found all through our neighborhood come from? And why does anyone even want a Home Depot in the Grove to begin with? You already have Shell Lumber which is a wonderful asset to the community. When does MORE become too much? You would be better off with a Marshalls/Home Goods in that location.
There was an inaccuracy in the January edition of Miami Monthly. In the article entitled "Round Three Grovites sue city to stop Home Depot," the sentence reads "The lawsuit claims the permit should have been subject to stricter requirements established in December of 2005, even though the permit was filed in early November of 2005. What the article does not state is that "a COMPLETED APPLICATION was not filed until June 2006."
Sue McConnell
We can't stop the fight.
Keep Home Depot out of our Grove.
Home Depot appears to be spending a lot of money paying bloggers to come on here and lie for them.
Thank you Mark, Sue and everyone else who won't give up this fight.
I just LOVE Ace Hardware and the Fresh Market!
A smaller Home Depot in the K-mart structure is better than a massive key West style Home Depot but NO Home Depot is better than all other options.
It's not what the outside of the store looks like, it is what is inside holds and what traffic nightmares and contractor dumping we will endure. Not to mention the workers who stand outside and wait for work, leaving their litter everywhere. It's the multiple tractor trailer diesel trucks parked all over the residential neighborhood streets, waiting in queue to off-load industrial warehouse supplies. They leave their engines running and park anywhere they can. They wait for hours to unload. It happens 24 hours a day. Ask the residents next to the 8th street Home Depot and they will tell you that they live a nightmare that they can't wake up from.
North Grove Resident
I have to wonder what instigated this comment:
Home Depot appears to be spending a lot of money paying bloggers to come on here and lie for them.
What makes you think that?
The discussion, which has gotten pretty far afield, was instigated by Grapevine's assertion that, if there must be a HD in the Grove, "most Grove residents" favored the KMart store option. Some of us wondered if this assertion has any support.
I believe most Grove residents want absolutely no Home Depot anywhere near US 1. Home Depot's attract too much traffic, too much garbage and they would ruin the quality of life in the Grove.
I do not think anyone believes that Home Depot wants to build anything except a typical big orange box.
Keep fighting, watch Home Depot give up. (Home Depot's Board of Directors is about to self-destruct over paying the CEO $210 Mil to go away. Home Depot has bigger problems than fighting the Grove First. Perhaps they are sick of all the bad press?)
swlip said...
I have to wonder what instigated this comment:
Home Depot appears to be spending a lot of money paying bloggers to come on here and lie for them.
What makes you think that?
*********
Sorry swlip -- in this day and age of internet blogs and grass root movements, the statement is a fact.
But I wasn't calling anyone out on it, so sorry if I offended.
Those of us who live in the grove have a vested interest in having our voices heard when it comes to our property values, pursuit of safety for our family and quality of our life.
What I don't get is what would motivate someone to get on here and try to convince us that Home Depot is our long awaited 'great neighbor and business partner'???
A desperate need for hardware??
I think not.
grand avenue -- ^5. GREAT POST.
I think it is clear to everyone who has ever visited the Home Depot warehouse store on SW 8th St, or really to anyone who has ever visited any of its warehouse stores anywhere, that Home Depot would be a terrible neighbor to the Grove and to anyone forced to drive on US 1. That being said, I am highly confident that anyone trying to convince Grove residents that they would benefit from a new Home Depot big orange box, and its accompanying traffic and filth, on that inappropriate site either works for Home Depot's lawyers or they work for Home Depot's lobbyists.
After all, who cannot drive an extra 3 to 8 minutes to find a big orange box? Or just shop at Shell Lumber or Ace Hardware...?
Clearly there are paid Home Depot lobbyists on this blog.
Sorry swlip -- in this day and age of internet blogs and grass root movements, the statement is a fact.
That's just what I find troubling. You assert it as a fact, yet you have not specifically pointed to any individual. You seemed to accuse persons posting on this blog of being paid by HD, but you're not being very clear about who you think is doing HD's bidding.
Are you able to point to a specific person who is in HD's pocket? Do you have evidence, or do you just assume that this is a "fact" because that's the way the world works?
grand avenue:
Clearly there are paid Home Depot lobbyists on this blog.
Who are they? I'm curious.
I believe, but I am not positive, that "anonymous" from Jan 11 at 10:08 pm and "anonymous" at 2:51 pm is a lobbyist for Home Depot. The lobbyists name is well known. There might be others...
I like Max Strang's design. I don't necessarily agree we need a home depot in Coconut Grove. Shell Lumber has filled this niche for us for many years, and they have everything that home depot has, with service and savings in time to boot! Free popcorn, people who admit they work there, what more could you ask???
grand avenue:
Earlier you wrote that HD lobbyists were "clearly" posting comments to this blog. Now you write that you "believe", but are "not positive," that two anonymous posts were written by a certain lobbyist whose name is "well-known."
Thanks for clearing that up.
To swlip,
If people wanted to identify themselves they would sign their names.
I oppose any Home Depot on that site at SW 37th Avenue and US 1. Home Depot warehouse stores belong in areas zoned Industrial and away from residential areas.
Hope things are clear for you.
grand avenue:
Well, no, you're changing the subject. It's obvious that you oppose any HD store (and, for the record, I prefer no HD store, but I've always been ambivalent about whether HD can be categorically stopped from making use of the Grove Gate property). But that's not the point.
You made an accusation that would be potentially libelous. When asked to clarify, you pointed to a couple of anonymous posts, one of which was written by someone who supports the Strang design concept, the other written by someone who wrote that a big corporation will always find a way to make an end-run around community opponents.
I don't see anything about either post that patently suggests that the posters are in HD's pocket, so I think that you have some more explaining to do in order to support your accusation.
I stand by my prior statements.
And to clarify I do not think Home Depot has any intention of building anything other then its typical "big orange box". When Home Depot supporters discuss alternative designs it is only as a ruse.
And to clarify large corporations do not always win. Communities, with detemined politicians and residents, have defeated both Wal Mart and Home Depot. This is the Grove, "quality of life" and self-determination must count for something?
grand avenue:
You're still avoiding the subject, which you yourself raised: What makes you think that one or more posters on this thread are covert employees of HD?
You write that you stand by your previous statements, but up to now you have said basically nothing.
Oh Great!
NOW we have to figure out who the raging anti-Semite is...and whether he or she an anomaly....or are there other Nazi's skulking about this web site!
I wonder how much of the opposition to Home Depot is being driven by haters like him!
SEE:
"Anonymous said...
One more reason to boycott Home Depot: it's founder, and Co-Chairman of the Board Bernard Marcus is an active Zionist. He is on the board of directors of Emet, the pro-Israel media ‘War Room’ whose function is to ensure that all media in the US stays biased in favour of Israel.
--maybe by denying Home Depot extra profits in the Grove, there will be some more balanced reporting on the Middle East which at this point our country surely needs.
January 11, 2007 5:59 PM"
Good point, Bruce. The proposition that "one or more of the opponents to HD posting on this site are raving anti-Semites" is more objectively supportable than the allegation that some posters are in HD's pocket.
I just love witch hunts!
To SWlip,
Do you support Home Depot going on that site? Do you want 18 wheelers turning onto US 1? Do you want 18 wheelers driving through the reidential neighborhoods exiting and entering the proposed Home Depot? Do you want the mess and filth that comes with a Home Depot?
Please clarify.
grand avenue:
You keep changing the subject, and you either suffer from short-term memory loss, a failure of reading comprehension, or you are just being dishonest, because I clarified my position in an earlier comment, above (small words version: I don't want a HD in the Grove, but in response to Grapevine's assertion, if there will be a HD I think that the Strang design would be preferable).
All of that is beside the point. You made a spurious allegation, and I asked you for facts and evidence. But now it is clear that you have no evidence to back it up.
To SWLip,
I believe you are doing a better job making my point than I can.
For new viewers,
I oppose any Home Depot on that site.
SWLIP and Grand Avenue ... please get a room...
grand avenue:
I believe you are doing a better job making my point than I can.
So, should I take this to mean that you accuse me of being paid by Home Depot?
Do you know what "libel" means?
An interesting point of interest is that my partner went into Taco Bell the other day and (acting dumb) asked the cashier/taco maker what was going in to the old KMart store. The reply was "Thank God the Home Depot." Apparently, there are some people that are thinking about a potential job change option courtesy of the Home Depot. I don't know about anyone else, but I've yet to get any real help from anyone who works for Home Depot which is why I never shop there. I would say if you own property in the Grove you should be doing anything you can to fight a Home Depot in the Grove.
I was at Shell Lumber this weekend. The service was wonderful. There were about 30 people serving customers. The store is 1/10th the site of the SW 8th Street HD and that HD has about 6 people helping 100 customers. If HD really cared about customer service they could certainly afford more staff than Shell Lumber. Just another sign that HD wants to S#!t in our backyards and treat us like suckers. This Grove Home Depot offers us nothing inside and decreases our quality of life outside.
Home Depot just paid its CEO $350 Mil to $400+ Mil for 5 years of "work". And Home Depot's stock price underperforms. Home Depot's shareholders get shafted, its customers get shafted and its neighbors get shafted. Home Depot does not care in the least for shareholders, customers or neighbors. Shop at Shell and Ace. (Or at existing Home Depots). Keep Home Depot off the SW 37th Avenue site. That location is for interesting mixed use projects not for industrial warehouse big box stores.
It would be great if we actually got some business in there that had the flavor of the Grove instead of some greedy corporate mega store.
grand avenue! LOL!
I've been out of town and I'm just catching up.
It appears that SWlip doth 'protest too much' about paid lobbyists. lol
One of the many (subversive) traits of a paid lobbyist is to take the topic off point -- and put posters on the defensive.
Another is to 'threaten' legal action.
Grand ave -- proud to be posting on the same forum as you.
SWlip -- No soup for you!
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