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Sunday, September 06, 2015

I checked out the Grove Harbour project

I went to Commissioner Sarnoff's office last week to meet with Ron Nelson, who showed me the small models for the new Grove Harbour place. He didn't sell me on the place, but if we are going to have to start getting used to it, we might as well try to understand it. The main thing I noticed was that the footprint is about the same as the current Scotty's and Chart House locations. Some of the square footage seems large because the Chart House location is two stories, so it is higher than what is there now, but not larger in footprint.

The dry dock area has been shifted about 45 degrees to allow for a path from parking all the way back to the restaurants.

This is the Scotty's Landing location with the old airplane terminal behind it. Ron didn't know what was going into the terminal, but I wonder if it might not be a Chesea Market type of place. And between the dry dock storage and the garage is another space for boat storage, but on plans, it also calls for commercial space, 2700 square feet of it. 

There is a lot of surface parking, but of course there is that garage, which to me is a big sticking point of the project. But they do need spaces for workers and visitors, so there had to be parking somewhere. And as pretty as they try to make it with the greenery on the top, it is still a parking garage. Three stories high, but not higher than the hangar and some other elements.

The garage will have retail on the bottom floor surrounding it and that is what puts the word "mall" out there. In the Waterfront Master Plan, the retail is planned to be water and park related, like maybe kayaks, sporting goods or camping-type equipment or maybe a fast place to buy soda or coffee (a 7-11? Starbucks-type place)?

I guess we'll just have to see what it all comes down to. The waterfront is going to change. Traffic patterns are going to be bad in the area. That is a main concern. That was the battle so many years ago over the Mercy Hospital plans every time they want to build something there - traffic. I would love to see the traffic study for this new Harbour place. I really think it's going to be something not appreciated by locals. 

Most Grovites feel that the waterfront was sold out to the highest bidder and that it should not have been sold out at all. Others just like change and anything is good as long as it is change, which they consider progress. I think if there was no retail, that might ease some concerns, the parking garage retail spaces and the commercial space at the boat storage area are what puts "mall" into peoples' minds, even if it is boat equipment stores or other park and water related retail, it is bringing people unnecessarily to a small old-time Florida area of the Grove, that is being lost forever.

These are the plans below, please click on the image for a larger version.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another big waterfront Mall. Fries, hot dogs and cheese.

September 06, 2015 9:45 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So much roof top and no solar panels. At least they filled up the monster garage roof with some sort of vine. Is that roof going to be open to public for a free and unobstructed glimpse of the bay?

September 06, 2015 11:05 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

People talk of the "Old Grove" and special hangouts that made the Grove special. Those folks and any of our newer residents can create that old Grove feel by hanging out at the same location(s) to create & mimic the "Old Grove" feeling. And if that won't work and there are sufficient numbers they could pool some money, rent or buy a location and create their own "Old Grove" hangout; music, drinks, and perhaps create their own dress code, whatever! However, this Grove Harbour project, right next to our new park, an improved 27th avenue with a sidewalk to a metro-rail station is going to make Coconut Grove a must see/visit important destination for 10's of thousands of individuals & families who will spend about $40/50 each. Our futures together, the old and the new are about to improve. Jobie Steppe

September 06, 2015 12:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So is the sky falling or not? Please SOMEONE tell me how I should react!!!

September 06, 2015 12:33 PM  
Blogger SethGordon said...

This is Miami!
When in doubt: PANIC!

September 06, 2015 3:07 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Thanks, Tom. You made the effort to go to the commissioner's office to view the plan details directly and pass along the info. We hope that you will be able to continue to receive notice of the latest developments and issues so that you can communicate them through the Grapevine. In this way, you and the Grape will help us in the
public space offer useful feedback...even creative comments that will help to improve the inevitable project. Many design professionals actually appreciate constructive public/user input. Kudos for your effort. Looking forward to more....Peter S.

September 06, 2015 3:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Embrace the future! It has always been better than the past!

September 06, 2015 5:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pay attention to the order to hit the required parking the garage is 5 story, including the ground floor retail. 10' x 4 + 14'(level 1) = 54' to top deck.

September 06, 2015 5:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's always nice to see pretty models and schematic drawings but they rarely reflect what is ultimately built. The above comment regarding the potential height of parking deck is a good example. The City/Community should have an opportunity to review the final plans before they start construction. A couple of comments regarding the model and site plan: The building labeled Scotty's is not where the current Scotty's is located but rather is closer to where the current dockmaster/gas concession office is and the boat storage racks. It is a much larger footprint than the current Scotty's occupying the current parking lot area at the end of the launching slip/dock area. It also appears that the hauling/launching of boats is being relocated to the current Grove Harbor launch area. They are showing a 9,500 SF restaurant at the location of the current Scotty's, which is directly next to the proposed 10,000 SF restaurant where the current Chart House is located. The approximately 20,000 SF of restaurants significantly expands on what is currently there.

September 06, 2015 6:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ugly plan. Ugly tall garages instead of a breeze. Who's pocket is filled with cash? Find another town to ruin with your cookie cutter conspiracies. I'm sorry, my brain has blacked out the fool with the little models name. Check your brain if you have one. Buy some tinker toys and leave my city alone!

September 06, 2015 8:25 PM  

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